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Red2014SS · 03-04-2015, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

I keep seeing people post that it won't have the torque. We aren't talking about a naturally aspirated V6. The 3.5 EB in the F150 makes 420 lb-ft at only 2500 RPM. That's the same peak torque as the LS3, but at 2100 RPM lower. You can make high peak TQ and high peak HP with modern turbos.

Yeah, I always scratch my head when I read the torque complaints too. The Ford 6cyl Ecoboost used in their F150 pickups has a higher towing capacity than the V8 models. Plenty of torque there. Too bad it sounds like a motorcycle if you add a custom exhaust.

shaffe · 03-04-2015, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by garyw

"There's no replacement for displacement"

Boost is the replacement for displacement

Just look at the new Z06 they couldn't get the N/A engine they wanted to use to pass emissions. Boost solved that problem.

CamaroCracka · 03-04-2015, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by shaffe

Boost is the replacement for displacement

Just look at the new Z06 they couldn't get the N/A engine they wanted to use to pass emissions. Boost solved that problem.

Yes, they supercharged a V8, so what's your point. If they had applied the same boost to a larger V8 it would have made more power. Not many folks buying a SC car are worried about what kind of emissions it produces.

Not to mention, boost has consequences. There are costs associated with building engines to survive super charging. It can be a good solution, but it's not always the best solution.

rontammy0 · 03-04-2015, 07:58 AM

boosted v6 vs boosted v8.......who wins? This poll is showing what the preferred choice is......and its not close.

el ess A · 03-04-2015, 08:07 AM

I will give up my V8 when someone pries the shifter from my cold dead fingers.

I have absolutely no issues with V6 or I4, turbo'ed or not, as long as I get a choice for a V8. If no V8, then I'll stick with the older models and the new ones can sit on the lot.

V6 or I4 may be acceptable for some people, but for me and my Camaros, it's V8 or none at all. And all the "facts" or opinions laid out here will never sway me from that, although there are always those hopefuls that try...and will fail.

shaffe · 03-04-2015, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by CamaroCracka

Yes, they supercharged a V8, so what's your point. If they had applied the same boost to a larger V8 it would have made more power. Not many folks buying a SC car are worried about what kind of emissions it produces.

Not to mention, boost has consequences. There are costs associated with building engines to survive super charging. It can be a good solution, but it's not always the best solution.

It proved my point. GM couldn't build a larger engine to do what they wanted to do, so they boosted a smaller engine. I simply was stating increasing displacement is not always the answer. They tried increasing displacement on the LT engine, and that didn't work. So they built a boosted engine. Don't want to derail the thread just that increasing displacement isn't always the best answer.

And back on topic of the Ford GT, I think people are forgetting the reason they chose the 3.5 was to fit into the class they want to race it in.

Iron Lung Jimmy · 03-04-2015, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Muscle Car Memories

Thats a fact but it wouldnt run with this current crop of Muscle Cars from Chevy, Ford and Dodge.

For about $2000 in mods a GN will run 11's. $2000 gets my SS in, what, the mid/upper 12's?

OrangeVert · 03-04-2015, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by el ess A

I will give up my V8 when someone pries the shifter from my cold dead fingers.

I have absolutely no issues with V6 or I4, turbo'ed or not, as long as I get a choice for a V8. If no V8, then I'll stick with the older models and the new ones can sit on the lot.

V6 or I4 may be acceptable for some people, but for me and my Camaros, it's V8 or none at all. And all the "facts" or opinions laid out here will never sway me from that, although there are always those hopefuls that try...and will fail.

+1. Although I respect those who choose V6 power instead. It's probably that I'm trying to get what I wish I had in the '70s, and the v8 does that for me. Sound, feel, vibrations, etc. Can't bring back those days, though. Nor would I want to because they sucked in many ways - could only afford cars that were rusted out and/or wouldn't start a lot of the time.

Angrybird 12 · 03-04-2015, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Iron Lung Jimmy

For about $2000 in mods a GN will run 11's. $2000 gets my SS in, what, the mid/upper 12's?

Are you talking $2000 on a GN back in the 80's or $2000 now? Because $2,000 in the 80's is probably like $10,000 today.

Iron Lung Jimmy · 03-04-2015, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Angrybird 12

Are you talking $2000 on a GN back in the 80's or $2000 now? Because $2,000 in the 80's is probably like $10,000 today.

I haven't priced things out lately, but I think $2000 could do it now. Back in the day people did it for less.

Cars and Tea · 03-04-2015, 06:06 PM

Before mods close these threads it always seems like V6 owners are ashamed or always making comparisons trying to "explain their Camaro V6"

I say a Camaro is a Camaro welcome to the Camaro family! (though a V8 is a V8)

I just always feel like some V6 owners are trying to convince themselves sometimes.

If you love your V6 and it is gods gift then OWN IT!

BUT

Sometimes these threads come off as 1000 explanations, stats, what-if I TURBO, etc. of V6 owners trying to convince themselves.

pickwithaustin · 03-04-2015, 06:12 PM

The love for V-8 is not only just about power.

As for "muscle car," muscles are generally measured by size and volume.

v6sonoma · 03-04-2015, 06:14 PM

The V6 Camaros are great cars, but if I couldn't get one with a V8 and a manual then I wouldn't have bought one.

2013 ZL1 #7860 · 03-04-2015, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by el ess A

I will give up my V8 when someone pries the shifter from my cold dead fingers.

The oil crisis in 1973 removed a lot of V8's from people's very much alive and warm fingers. Technology brought it back to us with the same and now more power as the 60's but this took a lot of effort and added a lot of cost.

What makes you think another oil crisis or war won't send fuel prices to $10+ a gallon and force the V8 to be retired again? At least this time we will have powerful AND efficient performance options to choose from and won't have to settle for 80hp Camaros...

I think it is time all generations pf enthusiasts start respecting other people's opinions including those who like innovation and living in the now.

View Poll Results: If Camaros go to a turbo-charged v6 instead of a v8 I'll...
Not buy another Camaro if it's not a v8	168	69.42%
Happily buy or trade up for 600HP even if it is a v6	68	28.10%
Buy it, but tell everyone it's a v8	6	2.48%
Voters: 242. You may not vote on this poll

03-04-2015, 08:07 AM	#131
el ess A Older Than Dirt Drives: 2010 & 2013 Camaros Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Aiken, SC Posts: 4,563	I will give up my V8 when someone pries the shifter from my cold dead fingers. I have absolutely no issues with V6 or I4, turbo'ed or not, as long as I get a choice for a V8. If no V8, then I'll stick with the older models and the new ones can sit on the lot. V6 or I4 may be acceptable for some people, but for me and my Camaros, it's V8 or none at all. And all the "facts" or opinions laid out here will never sway me from that, although there are always those hopefuls that try...and will fail. __________________ 2010 2SS TE, 1 of 822/2013 Camaro ZL1 vert, 1 of 54

03-04-2015, 06:12 PM	#138
pickwithaustin Drives: 2011 Camaro 2SS/RS Convertible and: Join Date: May 2014 Location: Central Texas Posts: 1,863	The love for V-8 is not only just about power. As for "muscle car," muscles are generally measured by size and volume. __________________ --------------------------- Currently in my Garage: 2011 Camaro 2SS/RS Convertible \| 1980 Corvette Stingray \| 1981 Firebird \| 1968 El Camino \| 2007 Crown Vic Police Interceptor \| 2001 Silverado \| 2001 Blazer \| 1965 Chevy C-10 \| 2007 Harley Softail Custom \| 2013 MX-5 in Copper Red Mica \| 2000 Corvette Convertible \| 2010 Corvette Grand Sport \| 2006 Audi A3 Turbo \| 2008 BMW 328i

03-04-2015, 06:14 PM	#139
v6sonoma Drives: 2010 SS RS Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Providence, RI Posts: 8,108 View My Garage	The V6 Camaros are great cars, but if I couldn't get one with a V8 and a manual then I wouldn't have bought one. __________________ Mods: BBK Intake, BBK LT's and High Flow Cats, Corsa Cat-back exhaust, Hurst short throw shifter, SLP skip-shift eliminator. 7/1/09 Placed order for IOM/IO int/ SS/RS 6M 9/26/09 Took delivery!

03-04-2015, 07:58 AM	#130
rontammy0 Account Suspended Drives: 2011 2SS/ RS INFERNO ORANGE L99 Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Alliston Ontario Canada Posts: 9,057 View My Garage	boosted v6 vs boosted v8.......who wins? This poll is showing what the preferred choice is......and its not close.

03-04-2015, 06:06 PM	#137
Cars and Tea Banned Drives: 2013 Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 730	Before mods close these threads it always seems like V6 owners are ashamed or always making comparisons trying to "explain their Camaro V6" I say a Camaro is a Camaro welcome to the Camaro family! (though a V8 is a V8) I just always feel like some V6 owners are trying to convince themselves sometimes. If you love your V6 and it is gods gift then OWN IT! BUT Sometimes these threads come off as 1000 explanations, stats, what-if I TURBO, etc. of V6 owners trying to convince themselves.