NO PERFORMANCE GAINS ACHEIVED WITH MOST MODIFICATIONS

[CamaroFemme]

Originally Posted by Speeder

Ok i've read through the whole thing and it seems to me he has an anger towards the advertising of these small performance parts. In example they always have in BIG CAPITAL letters "ADDS 10 HP" etc.....(highlighting the performance gain) when realitically 10 hp is nothing to the common driver and would be un-noticealbe They sell these bolt on assesories making people believe that "Man that's going to make my car a butt load faster!!!" when realistically it won't even be noticable. So I think he's saying... don't fall into the hype of the advertising and buy these small HP parts with the mirrage that it's going to make you faster, you should by them because there cool and just that....That's my read of this thread. Thank you and good day sir!!!

Random q: how many hp do you have to gain to "feel" it?

I was under the impression every little bit helps. Whether I feel the difference or not from the driver's seat, 10 hp more IS faster.

"Buy them because they're cool?" What? I'm not dropping $2000 just so the 10% of the world that would actually care about my exhaust or CAI can go "Oh, cool!" There has to be something to show for it, or what's the point?

And what about the points brought up by Doc in another thread? If the exhaust is 50 pounds lighter than stock, and the engine reacts to cold air better, you get better mileage, right? So wouldn't it be worthwhile just for that? Eventually, wouldn't that pay back your $2K and then some if you were planning on keeping the car for 15 years or so?

Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm shoppin'!

[JANNETTYRACING]

Originally Posted by CamaroFemme

Random q: how many hp do you have to gain to "feel" it?

I was under the impression every little bit helps. Whether I feel the difference or not from the driver's seat, 10 hp more IS faster.

"Buy them because they're cool?" What? I'm not dropping $2000 just so the 10% of the world that would actually care about my exhaust or CAI can go "Oh, cool!" There has to be something to show for it, or what's the point?

And what about the points brought up by Doc in another thread? If the exhaust is 50 pounds lighter than stock, and the engine reacts to cold air better, you get better mileage, right? So wouldn't it be worthwhile just for that? Eventually, wouldn't that pay back your $2K and then some if you were planning on keeping the car for 15 years or so?

Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm shoppin'!

Anyone who is familiar with they're car can easily feel 10 Hp those who aren't won't.

Ted.

[1320junkie]

Originally Posted by JANNETTYRACING

Anyone who is familiar with they're car can easily feel 10 Hp those who aren't won't.

Ted.

[coolman]

One think I can tell you ,you get no performance gains without any modification.
And that is a fact.

That just happened! shake and bake, baby

[themossman]

Originally Posted by JANNETTYRACING

Anyone who is familiar with they're car can easily feel 10 Hp those who aren't won't.

Ted.

I had a sub 60 degree day a couple of weeks ago and it felt like a new car!

[axis]

Originally Posted by CamaroFemme

Random q: how many hp do you have to gain to "feel" it?

I was under the impression every little bit helps. Whether I feel the difference or not from the driver's seat, 10 hp more IS faster.

"Buy them because they're cool?" What? I'm not dropping $2000 just so the 10% of the world that would actually care about my exhaust or CAI can go "Oh, cool!" There has to be something to show for it, or what's the point?

And what about the points brought up by Doc in another thread? If the exhaust is 50 pounds lighter than stock, and the engine reacts to cold air better, you get better mileage, right? So wouldn't it be worthwhile just for that? Eventually, wouldn't that pay back your $2K and then some if you were planning on keeping the car for 15 years or so?

Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm shoppin'!

But you and the OP don't think about power UNDER THE CURVE, as well as other improvements. While a 10-15-20whp peak gain may not seem like much, better throttle reponse, increased HP, and TQ through the midrange can be DRASTICALLY increased. A 15whp peak gain will probably not be noticed by many, but a 40-50+whp increase in the midrange is VERY noticeable. This midrange is what "most" will benefit from. Not everyone drag races or dyno races, but EVERYONE passes slower cars and speeds up down the on ramp.

[MDCammyMomma]

Hey, can u explain the difference between axle back and cat back exhaust systems?

Thx

[JANNETTYRACING]

Originally Posted by MDCammyMomma

Hey, can u explain the difference between axle back and cat back exhaust systems?

Thx

It is Kind of Self explanatory.

Cat Back Starts at the cats and bolts right on and easy to go back to stock.

Axle back requires cutting your Mid pipes under the axle and clamping on a axle back system a little tougher to go back to stock.

Ted.

[1320junkie]

Originally Posted by coolman

That just happened! shake and bake, baby

[themossman]

Originally Posted by JANNETTYRACING

It is Kind of Self explanatory.

Cat Back Starts at the cats and bolts right on and easy to go back to stock.

Axle back requires cutting your Mid pipes under the axle and clamping on a axle back system a little tougher to go back to stock.

Ted.

Cat back's also tend to remove resonators and put an x/h pipe in place...true?

[Partick]

I understand what the OP is trying to say, I've put a R-F CAI and the Hurst short throw shifter on mine mainly because I like the look and feel of the shifter and although not significant the CAI has made a noticable difference in acceleration and given the car a nice throaty growl under acceleration. Only other thing I plan on is a magnaflow exhaust. Worth the money spent? From a practical standpoint probably not but it personalizes the car for me gives a little edge to the stockers and makes showing it off a lot more fun.

And oh yeah the SS badges I put on the fenders on the Camaro emblem gave me 25 more HP I just know it

[coolman]

Originally Posted by Partick

I understand what the OP is trying to say, I've put a R-F CAI and the Hurst short throw shifter on mine mainly because I like the look and feel of the shifter and although not significant the CAI has made a noticable difference in acceleration and given the car a nice throaty growl under acceleration. Only other thing I plan on is a magnaflow exhaust. Worth the money spent? From a practical standpoint probably not but it personalizes the car for me gives a little edge to the stockers and makes showing it off a lot more fun.

And oh yeah the SS badges I put on the fenders on the Camaro emblem gave me 25 more HP I just know it

Is that like back in the old days when chrome anything under the hood gave you more power?

[hot ss]

Originally Posted by axis

Unfortunately on a NA car, you're stuck with small gains that turn into a overall bigger gains. Ever hear the term "ounces make pounds"? Coming from a turbo car where you can just crank a knob and get 50+whp it takes a little getting use to but these are the facts. Add to it that you're getting the "almost corvette" tax added since it's such a new platform and it is a NEW Camaro. If you want REAL gains, give your new car a MUCH NEEDED diet and put it on the bottle. That will give you 100+whp for less than $500. It will still pass emmisions and won't void your warrany, if you take it off before taking it in. Unless i'm mistaken, there isn't a "nitrous" trigger in the ECU and it won't show up in a Tech II report.

an oil sample wil bust you for running naws.

[axis]

Originally Posted by hot ss

an oil sample wil bust you for running naws.

Change it.