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If the SS ends up being the entry level v-8 again they need to use the weight loss as leverage. Keep the acceleration about the same and work on improving mpg.
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01-11-2012, 02:35 PM | #86 | |
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Power to weight ratio says that neither of the 4 bangers should be faster than a V6 Camaro, let alone the SS. Even a V6 ATS won't match an SS unless its a turbocharged ATS-V (if they go such a route for that car). And an ATS-V, I suspect, would start somewhere north of $50k if its a turbo6 or NA V8. I don't think Camaro owners need to be too worried.
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I'll say that a next Gen SS (with a V8) will weigh 3,600+ lbs.
Having said that I'll take a 5th Gen Z28 at 3,850 lbs (or less) and remove another 100 or so lbs myself. Just make sure it has an LS7! I love this design, and the clay model shown already turns me off. |
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It'll depend on the power output of the LT1. BIG power takes HD driveline/brakes/wheels 'n tires. The engine weight differential, V6 to V8, is likely to be 50 pounds+. So, getting to something close to 3600, give or take, still has you at a very handsome power-to-weight.
Again, folks, it's THREE l-o-n-g years away...there is STILL time for a right-contented Gen-5 ZEE to send this version out with a BANG! |
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I know we're talking power to weight ratio here but consider that the new 302S from the blue oval is 3200 lbs and 440 HP. For GM to even start playing in the same ballgame, GM needs a light weight Z-28 with chassis and suspension development equal to or better than the Ford offering. GM's got a lot of work to do and are frankly loosing the battle on the racetrack. Look at Grand AM level road racing and then look at the grassroots guys. There's a reason why there are 5 mustangs for every 1 camaro. It costs 3 times as much money to get a Camaro anywhere close to working in the corner compared to the mustangs... I'll get off my soapbox. It's late and I've frankly had a rough week coming to the realization that my SS at 3865 lbs as it sits won't ever get any lighter than a 302 5.0...
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V8 may need structural enforcement also. Still plenty of time, but they better hurry, 2016 model may be 2015 mid year production.
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GM needs to extend the length of time engine codes are retired. 15 years, give or take, simply isn't long enough.
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I'll forget. ... and be confused NEXT time too So this will be the 3rd LT1, that's okay, the first two were great, the new one has a lot to live up to
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A ZL1, currently, carries at least 100 extra pounds for the LSA...then all the coolers and gold chains which, compared to a 1SS, adds damn near 300 pounds. And some of that weight is further-reinforced drivetrain: brakes/HD diff 'n axles/HD trans etc. To make an 8lb/hp (or better!) Gen-6 ZEE will require components well beyond the 318 hp (their figure) V6 stuff...which will add more than 50-70 lb. total. A 450 hp LT1 (a number tossed around GM-centered discussions) with 3600 total ZEE Curb Weight = the magical 8.0! IF it comes in at 3550, great...and less would be fine, too. But festooning the car with all manner of c/f and ti to get the Curb a whole lot LOWER will simply put the price of admission a whole lot HIGHER...and I, for one, am NOT looking forward to a ZEE priced the same as a ZL1 currently is. |
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