Camaro ZL1 (vs GT-R) Review by Road & Track

[flopjack]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

Let's say, you like what you like Musang guys, and I/we like what we like Camaro guys.

This thread "was" about the ZL1 and GTR wasn't it?

the GT-R is really more of a Z06 and ZR1 competitor, but it is interesting to see how the ZL1 compares to an established supercar. It looks pretty racy (and way more fun).

[MauriSSio]

Originally Posted by 2ndCamaro79

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In the end we really need to WAIT and see if Ford can put up the numbers they are tossing around, especially for 60K money.

theyve already shown it produces MORE than 650hp......670HP to be exact.

Originally Posted by 2ndCamaro79

I just wish we could have seen the 2012 Shelby vs the 2012 ZL1 and ended there until the REAL numbers come out for the 2013 Shelby.

Me too, that would have been a fun read.

Originally Posted by DGthe3

How is GM scared? They've supplied ZL1s to the various magazines and let them compare it against anything the like. That includes, in this case the GTR. I don't buy that they're scared. Plus, they're the ones that published their 'ring times & challenged Ford to take their GT500 back to Germany with their best driver and see who can post the best lap time.

By not accepting that challenge, and not issuing GT500's to magazines for comparisons, I'd say that Ford is the one that's scared, not GM.

If i was GM and knew i built a better car, i would have supplied the GT500 and publicly excuted it. 50k is not a huge investment for the publicity it would have received. MAYBE ford IS scared, but GM is also pulling punches when it could have just gave the GT500 a knockout blow.

[1GMFanatik]

The biggest problem I am seeing here is that so many people are seriously concerned with what Road and Track, or Car and Driver, or whatever other magazine, say about how slow or dull the ZL1 and most other domestic vehicles are... These magazines are WELL KNOWN for bashing domestic autos and their track times seem to be even slower then the video games they apparently love to play.. LOL!

I'm ready to see some real world track times, whether it be at the drag strip or a good road course.. Oh yeah, and is it me or did the dude talking seem to be in slow motion?? LOL!

I.... would..... love..... to..... know.... how.... much.... he..... got..... paid.... for..... that.... article.....

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by Sax1031

You can bet Chevy has a 2012 GT500 they could have provided for the test.

I wonder why Ford has never posted the results from this test back in 2011 of the 13s, maybe they were a bit disappointing? Does seem kind of odd I mean bring two GT500s to the track and 9 months later the times are still not posted. I am sure Chevy knew exactly what their times were.

http://wot.motortrend.com/spied-ring...ers-85889.html

[SuperCarEnthusiast]

All said and done; it hard to beat an AWD equipped sport car even with the "new" sticky tire technology that ZR1 has employed. Plus, you can drive it in the snow and rain with confidences too!

[YourBlindingBias]

Originally Posted by 1GMFanatik

The biggest problem I am seeing here is that so many people are seriously concerned with what Road and Track, or Car and Driver, or whatever other magazine, say about how slow or dull the ZL1 and most other domestic vehicles are... These magazines are WELL KNOWN for bashing domestic autos and their track times seem to be even slower then the video games they apparently love to play.. LOL!

I'm ready to see some real world track times, whether it be at the drag strip or a good road course.. Oh yeah, and is it me or did the dude talking seem to be in slow motion?? LOL!

I.... would..... love..... to..... know.... how.... much.... he..... got..... paid.... for..... that.... article.....

Well it seems as though tons of ZL1 owners will be taking their cars to germany because that's the laptime that counts, forget state side tracks right? (the ones you can actually go to and run)

[Happy_Dan]

Originally Posted by YourBlindingBias

Well it seems as though tons of ZL1 owners will be taking their cars to germany because that's the laptime that counts, forget state side tracks right? (the ones you can actually go to and run)

I think I sense just a little sarcasm there.

I think you are missing the point. The reason that time at the ring is so important is the different track types, corner type and conditions that you can test on all at the same track. If you can run good times there, then you are certain to run good times anywhere.

I can't wait to post the differences from my 99 SS with some suspension work, my 3 C5 Z06's that I owned and compare those to my ZL1 when I get it!

That will be the real test, when us amateurs do the same tracks that we have done in other cars and see how it compares.

[IOMZL1]

Originally Posted by Happy_Dan

I think I sense just a little sarcasm there.

I think you are missing the point. The reason that time at the ring is so important is the different track types, corner type and conditions that you can test on all at the same track. If you can run good times there, then you are certain to run good times anywhere.

It is a fairly simple concept, really.

[Pain505]

This is the stupidest comparison ever. The GTR is a supercar......there is a reason it cost $90k. This is like comparing shaq brand with jordan brand. Of course jordan is higher quality. Mc hammer with jay z. Ford with chevy. Apple with android. The latter always is better

[2cnd chance]

That's the point. The ZL1 is HUGE bang for the buck. Had the test been better controlled(temps, etc.) we would have seen closer results at almost half the price. Value is the key here.

[Pain505]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

That's the point. The ZL1 is HUGE bang for the buck. Had the test been better controlled(temps, etc.) we would have seen closer results at almost half the price. Value is the key here.

Yea i guess i didnt think of it that way. Buy the ZL1, spend $40k on mods. You would b good to go

[69NMYSS]

Originally Posted by Pain505

Yea i guess i didnt think of it that way. Buy the ZL1, spend $40k on mods. You would b good to go

Lol, u think it would take $40k to close the gap

[stymie]

A Black/Black Ltd Edition 2012 NISSAN GT-R will MSRP at $99.6K with the 2013s even higher. It's still a bargain supercar at that price. A LOT of folks have preconceived notions that a V6 with AWD is NO big deal. I'd suggest that you drive one for a real epiphany. It's too bad that they are more at home on the track than real world roads where I do most of my driving.

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by 69NMYSS

Lol, u think it would take $40k to close the gap

For his LS yes.