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2SSHADOWLSX · 02-12-2021, 08:52 AM

So recently I have acquired a Whipple 2.9L supercharger. I have a BTR Stage 4 Supercharger cam kit installed to the car already. I've come to understand that the Whipple provided injectors and fuel pump booster won't be enough to keep up with the Cam and Blower working together. I also have Long Tube headers + header back exhaust + high-flow cats. Currently making 470RWHP without the blower, I expect to be nearing 700RWHP with the blower, I'd like a few suggestions on fuel systems, haven't done much of my own research yet and not sure what figures I'm going to need. I plan on breaking 1000 Crank horses in the future as well. Any suggestions?

Axe55 · 02-12-2021, 09:50 AM

I recommend you do the fuel system once if you can, buy the fuel system that's going to get you your 1000hp and install it now with the whipple, even if it's not fully utilized. A ZL1 pump/BAP will get you to around 700hp and are fine to do with your whipple, but not much past that. I'm using the ZL1/BAP with Fast injectors and I'm at 600rwhp.

The popular brands I read on here are usually Fore and DSX for the fuel pumps. ID or Fast for injectors.

TheFlyingBananaSS · 02-12-2021, 10:20 AM

Fore triple pump and at least 1300 injectors if you looking for 4 digit power numbers.

Aries240SS · 02-12-2021, 10:20 AM

I ran the ZL1 pump and booster to ~750hp but was right on the edge. Upgraded to the Fore Triple from AGP and E85. No issues and continuing to add boost.

RupertPupkin · 02-12-2021, 10:39 AM

Another option.. DSX aux pump and whatever injectors. FIC/ID etc. if you have a tuner already, see what injectors he would recommend and what he uses. Last thing you want is a tuner that can’t tune what you bought, leading you to source out multiple tuners..... Ask me how I know. Lol.

BiggFoot · 02-14-2021, 09:03 AM

If you plan to stay with 93 fuel with maybe some meth injection at WOT, then a dual pump set up with 1000cc injectors will handle it. I was running a single pump with an in-line booster pump that came on at WOT, meth injection, and Maggie at max output, with right at 700 hp to the wheels and doing fine. But when I switched to E85 on the maggie then I had to go with the Fore dual pump set up. Then when I put the F-1X on I had to really step up the fuel system as noted in my sig.

Bottom line is if you think you have the HP bug then you probably do and it is much cheaper in the long run to go big in the beginning and leave yourself room to grow. Fuel is one of the essentials and the guys before me are telling you right, so go big my friend and you will thank yourself a couple of years from now when the 700 rwhp is beginning to feel slow (and it will).

Tool131 · 04-16-2021, 01:51 PM

I have the DSX Aux fuel system with stock pump and am at 700 whp with FIC injectors and I'm fine for fuel delivery right now. Ready to install a ZL1 pump for piece of mind. FYI, I wired in a LED activation light that is on my dash that is wired into the Aux pump so I know when the pump kicks on, (comes on at 1lb of boost) and like others have said, go big so when your 700 whp feels slow (and it will after a while) you have fuel covered when you build for 900 whp

larry_g · 04-16-2021, 04:04 PM

I am literally installing a flex fuel triple pump setup right now. I'm expecting about 800 at the wheels when I'm done but I probably have enough fuel pump to double that if I decide to in the future. Don't just plan for this build, plan for the next one or two as well.

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James Montigny · 05-15-2021, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Tool131

I have the DSX Aux fuel system with stock pump and am at 700 whp with FIC injectors and I'm fine for fuel delivery right now. Ready to install a ZL1 pump for piece of mind. FYI, I wired in a LED activation light that is on my dash that is wired into the Aux pump so I know when the pump kicks on, (comes on at 1lb of boost) and like others have said, go big so when your 700 whp feels slow (and it will after a while) you have fuel covered when you build for 900 whp

You're saying that the DSX low side kit with ZL1 pump feeding a ZL1 high side should be enough for 900rwhp? I was worried that it might run out of capacity before that, but would be very happy to hear that it's ready for more.

Greenhornet2 · 05-17-2021, 07:26 AM

See signature. If you want more go with dual or triple pump and 1300 injectors right out of the gate and do it once. DSX aux pump can get you there too, but I don't like the idea of drilling into my fuel tank. If you plan to go E85 my setup not recommended. I've read in a few posts the DSX system starts having trouble around 850whp.

Batmanntexas · 05-20-2021, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by James Montigny

You're saying that the DSX low side kit with ZL1 pump feeding a ZL1 high side should be enough for 900rwhp? I was worried that it might run out of capacity before that, but would be very happy to hear that it's ready for more.

These are all LS motors, NOT direct-injected (DI) LT motors. So, unfortunately, to my knowledge, there isn't a DI-only system capable of 900whp. At that level, you'd have to spray a lot of methanol, or add a supplemental port fuel injection system as well.

Case in point, the Corvette ZR1 that utilizes the LT5 motor. It utilizes both DI and port fuel injection and it makes 755hp (crankshaft, I believe).

Check out the 6th Gen Camaro Forum for info specific to your platform.

Greenhornet2 · 05-21-2021, 01:29 PM

I believe the dsx aux kit is advertised as supporting 1000whp for our cars without e85, but from what i've read from people's experience it doesn't seem to.

James Montigny · 05-21-2021, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Batmanntexas

These are all LS motors, NOT direct-injected (DI) LT motors. ...
Check out the 6th Gen Camaro Forum for info specific to your platform.

My mistake. I drifted in from Camaro6 and didn't even notice.
The DSX will suit my needs.

02-12-2021, 08:52 AM	#1
2SSHADOWLSX NightFuryCamaro Drives: 2012 Camaro 2SS Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: New Jersey Posts: 33	Whipple Supercharger + Blower Cam fuel system So recently I have acquired a Whipple 2.9L supercharger. I have a BTR Stage 4 Supercharger cam kit installed to the car already. I've come to understand that the Whipple provided injectors and fuel pump booster won't be enough to keep up with the Cam and Blower working together. I also have Long Tube headers + header back exhaust + high-flow cats. Currently making 470RWHP without the blower, I expect to be nearing 700RWHP with the blower, I'd like a few suggestions on fuel systems, haven't done much of my own research yet and not sure what figures I'm going to need. I plan on breaking 1000 Crank horses in the future as well. Any suggestions? __________________ Follow me on Instagram and TikTok! @NightFuryCamaro https://www.instagram.com/nightfurycamaro/ https://www.tiktok.com/@nightfurycamaro

02-12-2021, 09:50 AM	#2
Axe55 Drives: 2012 Camaro SS Join Date: Jun 2019 Location: Toronto Posts: 159	I recommend you do the fuel system once if you can, buy the fuel system that's going to get you your 1000hp and install it now with the whipple, even if it's not fully utilized. A ZL1 pump/BAP will get you to around 700hp and are fine to do with your whipple, but not much past that. I'm using the ZL1/BAP with Fast injectors and I'm at 600rwhp. The popular brands I read on here are usually Fore and DSX for the fuel pumps. ID or Fast for injectors. __________________ 2012 Camaro SS LS3, JRE Scoop, CAI intake, Whipple Supercharger, Fast 85lb injectors, ZL1 pump, McLeod RXT clutch, MGW shifter, Stainless Power 1 7/8 headers w/HFC, Ridetech coilovers, BMR sway bars, trailing arms, toe rods, cradle bushing inserts, 2020 Speed Tuned.

02-12-2021, 10:20 AM	#3
TheFlyingBananaSS Evil Genius of Chevrolet Drives: 2017 Z06, 2019 XTS, 2013 SS Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: New York Posts: 3,260	Fore triple pump and at least 1300 injectors if you looking for 4 digit power numbers. __________________ GPI SS2 VVT cam, ECS Novi 1500 supercharger, Corsa Extreme, Detroit Speed and BMR suspension, Circle D triple disc, Melling oil pump, LS2 chain tensioner, ATI 10% UD, DSX E85 kit, High Energy coils, BTR springs, LS2 Lifter trays, Titanium retainers, hardened push rods, FIC 1000 injectors, ZL1 pump, Mighty Mouse catch can, AEM gauges, Tial BOV, Richmond 3.91 gears, Custom gauge bezels, Speed Engineering headers, Stainless Works HF cats, DSX Aux pump, 710rwhp on E85.

02-12-2021, 10:20 AM	#4
Aries240SS Drives: 2011 1SS RS Camaro, 1995 LSX 240SX Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 461	I ran the ZL1 pump and booster to ~750hp but was right on the edge. Upgraded to the Fore Triple from AGP and E85. No issues and continuing to add boost. __________________ 2011 Camaro 1SS Whipple Supercharged street monster

02-12-2021, 10:39 AM	#5
RupertPupkin Drives: 2014 Camaro SS 1Le Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: IL Posts: 1,603	Another option.. DSX aux pump and whatever injectors. FIC/ID etc. if you have a tuner already, see what injectors he would recommend and what he uses. Last thing you want is a tuner that can’t tune what you bought, leading you to source out multiple tuners..... Ask me how I know. Lol. __________________ 2014 SS 1LE Money Pit/ Forged 402 CAM 22X/24X, .619/.617, 113 LSA/ LS9 Heads FIC 1200cc/DSX Aux Pump//McLeod RXT Clutch 730whp: 630Trq

02-14-2021, 09:03 AM	#6
BiggFoot Drives: 2010 Camaro (M6) 1000+ HP SBE Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 1,391	If you plan to stay with 93 fuel with maybe some meth injection at WOT, then a dual pump set up with 1000cc injectors will handle it. I was running a single pump with an in-line booster pump that came on at WOT, meth injection, and Maggie at max output, with right at 700 hp to the wheels and doing fine. But when I switched to E85 on the maggie then I had to go with the Fore dual pump set up. Then when I put the F-1X on I had to really step up the fuel system as noted in my sig. Bottom line is if you think you have the HP bug then you probably do and it is much cheaper in the long run to go big in the beginning and leave yourself room to grow. Fuel is one of the essentials and the guys before me are telling you right, so go big my friend and you will thank yourself a couple of years from now when the 700 rwhp is beginning to feel slow (and it will). __________________ F-1X, Cog Drive, ATI Super Pulley/Sprag ~ 19 psi Blower Cam Brodix BP BR 3 Heads Kooks LT Headers and full 3" exhaust Fore Triple Pump Fuel System with ID 1700X Injectors - E85 conversion DSS 9” Conversion (1400 hp axles, driveshaft, pumpkin) & Strange 3.70 gears McLeod RXT Twin HD Clutch & Upgraded Slave RPM Level VII TR6060 BMR Drag Suspension Package w/Strange shocks Carlyle 15" and M/T ET Street R radials 10.1 @ 143 mph 1/4 mile

04-16-2021, 01:51 PM	#7
Tool131 Drives: 2010 Camaro SS2 Join Date: Oct 2020 Location: Bettendorf iowa Posts: 26	I have the DSX Aux fuel system with stock pump and am at 700 whp with FIC injectors and I'm fine for fuel delivery right now. Ready to install a ZL1 pump for piece of mind. FYI, I wired in a LED activation light that is on my dash that is wired into the Aux pump so I know when the pump kicks on, (comes on at 1lb of boost) and like others have said, go big so when your 700 whp feels slow (and it will after a while) you have fuel covered when you build for 900 whp __________________ 2010 2SS M6, Procharger, 8 rib, 12lbs, E85, Holley intake W/ fuel rails, TSP Blower cam 229/242 w/springs, Harden pushrod, FIC injectors, DSX Aux. fuel, Kooks long tube headers, xpipe, no cats, Mcleod twin disc, G Force Axles, DSS aluminum drive shaft, Detroit Trutrac, LPW dif cover w/BMR bushings, BMR Toe rods and Trailing arms, 5 Stars, M.T. E/T Streets, Hurst short throw, Mighty Mouse catch can, 702 WHP on Mustang Dyno 10.7 1/4 Mile

04-16-2021, 04:04 PM	#8
larry_g Drives: 2014 1SS/1LE Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 826	I am literally installing a flex fuel triple pump setup right now. I'm expecting about 800 at the wheels when I'm done but I probably have enough fuel pump to double that if I decide to in the future. Don't just plan for this build, plan for the next one or two as well. Sent from my Pixel 5 using Tapatalk __________________ 830 WHP 700 WTQ, Whipple 2.9 @ 13lbs Boost, Flex Fuel Tune by Blevins Tuning, LSA SBE, 3.5 GripTec, ATI LS3 Damper, AFR 260cc Mongoose, ARP Studs, Yella Terra Ultralites, Johnson 2110R, BTR PDS Stage 3, Melling 10355, Improved Racing Baffle, ID1050X, DSX Triple Fuel Pump, RotoFab CAI, NW 103mm TB, Stainless Works 1-7/8" LTH to 3" Speed Eng w/ X-pipe to NPP, Powermaster 9509 XS, Detroit Speed Motor Mounts, MGW, Monster LT1-S, ZL1 Calipers, DBA Rotors & Pads, Bilstein B6 Struts & Shocks, BMR 1.25" Drop Springs & Adj Rear Bar, Pegasus Solid Bushings, Z/28 Wheels, other misc parts.

05-17-2021, 07:26 AM	#10
Greenhornet2 Drives: 2011 Camaro 2SS LS3 Whipple Join Date: May 2019 Location: Connecticut Posts: 1,925	See signature. If you want more go with dual or triple pump and 1300 injectors right out of the gate and do it once. DSX aux pump can get you there too, but I don't like the idea of drilling into my fuel tank. If you plan to go E85 my setup not recommended. I've read in a few posts the DSX system starts having trouble around 850whp. __________________ Whipple 2.9 CAI ID1050x injectors ZL1 Pump JRE FPCM JMS Voltage booster JRE Rough Idle blower cam BTR .660 springs CHE trunnion kit 1 7/8 Speed Engineering Borla Atak JRE scoop 1.5" lowering springs BMR trailing arms and toe links Cradle inserts 704WHP 603WTQ 93 octane

05-21-2021, 01:29 PM	#12
Greenhornet2 Drives: 2011 Camaro 2SS LS3 Whipple Join Date: May 2019 Location: Connecticut Posts: 1,925	I believe the dsx aux kit is advertised as supporting 1000whp for our cars without e85, but from what i've read from people's experience it doesn't seem to. __________________ Whipple 2.9 CAI ID1050x injectors ZL1 Pump JRE FPCM JMS Voltage booster JRE Rough Idle blower cam BTR .660 springs CHE trunnion kit 1 7/8 Speed Engineering Borla Atak JRE scoop 1.5" lowering springs BMR trailing arms and toe links Cradle inserts 704WHP 603WTQ 93 octane