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bkevind · 01-24-2017, 09:51 PM

Overpasses/bridges are always scary when it's that cold out, especially if there has been any moisture. This past freeze in Austin had temps in the high teens, and I had to drive the 1LE with goodyears on back roads with low water crossings/creeks. thankfully it was all very dry and never had a hint of slippage.

Matty Ice · 01-24-2017, 11:24 PM

Thanks everyone for the replies. I really like this forum and the members on it, have received a lot of good info from this site. I knew there would be some skeptics about how I was driving, people are entitled to their opinions. Trust me, I beat myself up over these crashes, I have a lot of experience driving in cold/bad conditions as I daily drive my cars 365. The first winter on the A/S tires were great, stuck like glue in similar conditions. After 12-15,000mi, these tires change and behave different without warning, take it for what you want. As for these bridges/overpasses they are the hidden type where you really can't see them or notice while driving. I discovered the one in the G8 by looking at Google Maps and saw that there was a tunnel right where I started to slide. The one involving my 1le I didn't know until I went to jump over the GM wall to get out of traffic and noticed it was a huge drop, thank god I just didn't blindly jump. I have driven this interstate every day for 15+years. As for the location where I crashed the G8, they just resurfaced the roadway this December because too many people were crashing because the top finish on the asphalt wasn't the right type, too smooth. I just wanted to tell people my experiences and know that as these A/S tires wear, the characteristics change and one could experience unpredictability.

blakjak55 · 01-25-2017, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Matty Ice

I just wanted to tell people my experiences and know that as these A/S tires wear, the characteristics change and one could experience unpredictability.

Well put. Changes my perception of yours and Billy's posts.

vinman · 01-25-2017, 08:17 AM

Dude that sucks!!! Our numbers are dwindling fast in the 1le club��

flipstyledsm22 · 01-25-2017, 08:58 AM

That blows! At least you're OK.

Damn that was a beautiful 1LE.

maraging · 01-25-2017, 09:15 AM

Crashed two cars? Only one thing for sure in common here lol.

gajagfan · 01-25-2017, 11:34 AM

First off, very sorry to hear about this OP. Glad that you have a line on another car and most importantly, glad everyone is ok! This story along with Billy's story bring back many memories of "oh shit" moments that we have all had. In my case, the end results have varied from Billy's near miss to OP's game over scenario. In both these cases, and in all of my events that were not caused by the negligence of another driver, my decisions played a key roll in both why it happened and how the situation ended. Being honest with myself, I usually had to shoulder a lot of the blame. By that I mean I was plain and simply going too fast for the situation. Yes, I had done it 100 times before without incident, and then just a little something changed. Maybe it was a few degrees cooler, a little more wear on the tires, some gravel in the road....you get what I am saying. The point is that if I was driving on public roads at a level where a slight change in conditions caused a situation that put my life or someone else's life in danger, than I was in the wrong...big time! And sure, with luck or God given talent, you get through it 99% of the time, but the cost for the times you don't may be a price much higher than you want to pay. Thanks for the write-up OP and Billy, and lets be careful out there.

frenchsquared · 01-25-2017, 11:43 AM

Wait a while to beat the guy up. He just lost his car.

427K · 01-25-2017, 11:44 AM

Its suck to lose the car, especially that 1 LE! She was so beautiful.... Sorry, but any accident you walk away, is a good accident. What every the case was, it happen and it over, just live and learn. Good luck in your adventures and hopeful you get your self another sweet ride.

I am new to this camaro world. So what brand are AS tire did you have on?

gajagfan · 01-25-2017, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by frenchsquared

Wait a while to beat the guy up. He just lost his car.

I hope I did not come across as beating anyone up. It was not the intent.

acammer · 01-25-2017, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by frenchsquared

Wait a while to beat the guy up. He just lost his car.

Seriously! I was surprised to keep reading through this post and seeing how many folks went ahead and lit the flame on this guy. Without being there, seeing the road, what happened, etc, it's anybody's guess on what actually went down. I've definitely seen an all-season do some scary things in the cold. Did the drive play a part, probably - and I'm sure he already knows that and doesn't need our help feeling crappy about dumping his pride and joy.

acammer · 01-25-2017, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by gajagfan

I hope I did not come across as beating anyone up. It was not the intent.

My above post wasn't directed at you. You took the time to walk through your response - it's reasonable. Some of these other guys are just putting the flame on. I'm sure they've never made a mistake behind the wheel.

Matty Ice · 01-25-2017, 03:03 PM

Thanks to the people who have had my back. I also know other people have their opinions which are derived from personal experiences. But there is several common factors. Obviously, speed/power application was the cause of the crashes because the tires were overloaded one way or the other. But it was due to tires/compound changing drastically from one winter to the other. I have driven on the G2's at 20degs and I would say these A/S change to that type of unpredictably under certain circumstances. If anyone has driven on the G2's in cold enough weather and taken a left turn at a intersection from a dead stop, and have had the rear end kick just a tad because of the slight release of the clutch shifting into 2nd, that is what it is like. That slight shock is enough to break traction. I did self reflect after my first crash and beat myself up about it and I knew there had to be a reason other than "too fast for conditions", was scared to death to take the off-ramp/turn at the speed limit in great weather conditions. After the second I was still trying to figure things out until I read Billy10mm's post, put it all in perspective. I just wanted people to hear/lean from my experience and know these tires can/will get very unpredictable in certain weather/circumstances. Thanks again for all the posts, even from the skeptics/realists. Except from the trolls from time to time everyone on here is great!

SS MoFo · 01-25-2017, 06:06 PM

Admittedly, road surface friction on bridges can be unpredictable.... Are you going to be selling your 10 spoke wheels ?

01-25-2017, 08:17 AM	#18
vinman The BBOMG fill-in husband Drives: 2015 2SS/RS 1LE AKA V1LE Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Elmira, NY Posts: 4,458 View My Garage	Dude that sucks!!! Our numbers are dwindling fast in the 1le club�� __________________ UPSTATE C5 MEMBER

01-25-2017, 08:58 AM	#19
flipstyledsm22 Let's go fishing! Drives: a car with 8 cylinders Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Seabrook, Texas Posts: 1,129 View My Garage	That blows! At least you're OK. Damn that was a beautiful 1LE. __________________ "When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I’ve never tried before." Mae West 1892-1980

01-25-2017, 11:34 AM	#21
gajagfan Drives: 2013 1SS 1LE Black - Std Exhaust Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Brunswick, GA Posts: 3,622 View My Garage	First off, very sorry to hear about this OP. Glad that you have a line on another car and most importantly, glad everyone is ok! This story along with Billy's story bring back many memories of "oh shit" moments that we have all had. In my case, the end results have varied from Billy's near miss to OP's game over scenario. In both these cases, and in all of my events that were not caused by the negligence of another driver, my decisions played a key roll in both why it happened and how the situation ended. Being honest with myself, I usually had to shoulder a lot of the blame. By that I mean I was plain and simply going too fast for the situation. Yes, I had done it 100 times before without incident, and then just a little something changed. Maybe it was a few degrees cooler, a little more wear on the tires, some gravel in the road....you get what I am saying. The point is that if I was driving on public roads at a level where a slight change in conditions caused a situation that put my life or someone else's life in danger, than I was in the wrong...big time! And sure, with luck or God given talent, you get through it 99% of the time, but the cost for the times you don't may be a price much higher than you want to pay. Thanks for the write-up OP and Billy, and lets be careful out there. Last edited by gajagfan; 01-25-2017 at 12:24 PM.

01-25-2017, 11:44 AM	#23
427K Drives: 15 1SS 1LE Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Arizona Posts: 148	Its suck to lose the car, especially that 1 LE! She was so beautiful.... Sorry, but any accident you walk away, is a good accident. What every the case was, it happen and it over, just live and learn. Good luck in your adventures and hopeful you get your self another sweet ride. I am new to this camaro world. So what brand are AS tire did you have on? __________________ I spent most of my money on beer and cars, the rest I just wasted.

01-24-2017, 09:51 PM	#15
bkevind Drives: 2013 2SS RS 1LE Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Austin Posts: 555 View My Garage	Overpasses/bridges are always scary when it's that cold out, especially if there has been any moisture. This past freeze in Austin had temps in the high teens, and I had to drive the 1LE with goodyears on back roads with low water crossings/creeks. thankfully it was all very dry and never had a hint of slippage.

01-24-2017, 11:24 PM	#16
Matty Ice Drives: 2015 SS/RS 1LE Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 537	Thanks everyone for the replies. I really like this forum and the members on it, have received a lot of good info from this site. I knew there would be some skeptics about how I was driving, people are entitled to their opinions. Trust me, I beat myself up over these crashes, I have a lot of experience driving in cold/bad conditions as I daily drive my cars 365. The first winter on the A/S tires were great, stuck like glue in similar conditions. After 12-15,000mi, these tires change and behave different without warning, take it for what you want. As for these bridges/overpasses they are the hidden type where you really can't see them or notice while driving. I discovered the one in the G8 by looking at Google Maps and saw that there was a tunnel right where I started to slide. The one involving my 1le I didn't know until I went to jump over the GM wall to get out of traffic and noticed it was a huge drop, thank god I just didn't blindly jump. I have driven this interstate every day for 15+years. As for the location where I crashed the G8, they just resurfaced the roadway this December because too many people were crashing because the top finish on the asphalt wasn't the right type, too smooth. I just wanted to tell people my experiences and know that as these A/S tires wear, the characteristics change and one could experience unpredictability.

01-25-2017, 09:15 AM	#20
maraging Drives: 15 1ss 1le Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: kansas Posts: 295	Crashed two cars? Only one thing for sure in common here lol.

01-25-2017, 11:43 AM	#22
frenchsquared Drives: 15 Z28, 01 Corvette, 96 Corvette Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Colorado Posts: 863	Wait a while to beat the guy up. He just lost his car.

01-25-2017, 03:03 PM	#27
Matty Ice Drives: 2015 SS/RS 1LE Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 537	Thanks to the people who have had my back. I also know other people have their opinions which are derived from personal experiences. But there is several common factors. Obviously, speed/power application was the cause of the crashes because the tires were overloaded one way or the other. But it was due to tires/compound changing drastically from one winter to the other. I have driven on the G2's at 20degs and I would say these A/S change to that type of unpredictably under certain circumstances. If anyone has driven on the G2's in cold enough weather and taken a left turn at a intersection from a dead stop, and have had the rear end kick just a tad because of the slight release of the clutch shifting into 2nd, that is what it is like. That slight shock is enough to break traction. I did self reflect after my first crash and beat myself up about it and I knew there had to be a reason other than "too fast for conditions", was scared to death to take the off-ramp/turn at the speed limit in great weather conditions. After the second I was still trying to figure things out until I read Billy10mm's post, put it all in perspective. I just wanted people to hear/lean from my experience and know these tires can/will get very unpredictable in certain weather/circumstances. Thanks again for all the posts, even from the skeptics/realists. Except from the trolls from time to time everyone on here is great!

01-25-2017, 06:06 PM	#28
SS MoFo Drives: 2014 SS/RS 1LE Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: U.S.A Posts: 100	Admittedly, road surface friction on bridges can be unpredictable.... Are you going to be selling your 10 spoke wheels ?