New Camaro Z28 will be packing which engine?

[CamaroDan]

there is no way it will be the ls9 engine if that is the case why buy the zr1 vett?

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by CamaroDan

there is no way it will be the ls9 engine if that is the case why buy the zr1 vett?

There's MUCH more to the ZR1 than its engine.

[99-LS1-SS]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

There's MUCH more to the ZR1 than its engine.

Yeah, it has gigantic carbon metallic brakes and the magnetic suspension. Those coupled with the light weight make it a bad mo-fo!

[AZCamaroFan]

Here's my idea: the LS7. The LSA has the supercharger, which ads weight, and i think considering the price of the CTS-V and ZR1, demands a higher price. Offer the Z28 stripped, as much as possible. Still with a radio and air. This is 2010 after all. Like the 1SS. 42K, or thereabouts. That accomplishes two things:
1. It's the same price as the challenger SRT8, and will blow the doors off it.
2. It may not be quite as fast as the GT500. Or it maybe. Only a test will show. But--it will undercut the GT500 price by 6k.
I think with that strategy they steal more sales from dodge and ford.
It may be the case that Chevrolet wants to charge 50k no matter what engine is in it. But given the fact that it will wear the same size wheels, probably brakes, and most likely will not carry exotic materials, i think it makes sense. that's just my idea.

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by wildpaws

Source please?? The dyno tests I quoted were from Chevy's own records, they did state that the heads were Traco Racing prepared heads, nothing was mentioned about the rest of the engine being any different than a production engine. Do you have any idea what made the SCCA racing engines different from the production engines? Besides the prepared heads?? We've been looking at a video for a few months of a dyno run of a basically stock DZ302 that had a run of 530HP @ 8,500 RPM. The old 302s would turn in excess of 7,000 RPM right off the production line, don't take my word for it, ask any of the 28,103 owners that bought one '67-'69.
Clyde

Have read it through the years in numerous publications.

Within the last month or so a magazine (Super Chevy) built numerous small block chevy's to original spec's and the 302 was around 350HP. And yes it was mid to top end HP. Very stout, however it just show today's V8's rule (and they get better mileage).
For the SCCA racing 302 I'll let you google and find the info.

[AZCamaroFan]

i want to think that was Super Chevy. the Trans Am prepped 302's had , supposedly 600hp.

[Mythic]

Originally Posted by azfan

Here's my idea: the LS7. The LSA has the supercharger, which ads weight, and i think considering the price of the CTS-V and ZR1, demands a higher price. Offer the Z28 stripped, as much as possible. Still with a radio and air. This is 2010 after all. Like the 1SS. 42K, or thereabouts. That accomplishes two things:
1. It's the same price as the challenger SRT8, and will blow the doors off it.
2. It may not be quite as fast as the GT500. Or it maybe. Only a test will show. But--it will undercut the GT500 price by 6k.
I think with that strategy they steal more sales from dodge and ford.
It may be the case that Chevrolet wants to charge 50k no matter what engine is in it. But given the fact that it will wear the same size wheels, probably brakes, and most likely will not carry exotic materials, i think it makes sense. that's just my idea.

LSA $14,295.99

LS7 $14,195.99

[camaro5]

[2003vette]

You guys are forgetting competition. unless they can squeeze more power out of a LS7, its going to be the LSA. GT500 540 HP vs camaro 560 HP duh

[SSmoked]

Originally Posted by 2003vette

You guys are forgetting competition. unless they can squeeze more power out of a LS7, its going to be the LSA. GT500 540 HP vs camaro 560 HP duh

ur forgetting the SS is pulling near gt500 numbers with 100hp less. so a camaro with 505hp will pretty much take a gt500.

[wildpaws]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

Have read it through the years in numerous publications.

Within the last month or so a magazine (Popular Hotrodding?) built numerous small block chevy's to original spec's and the 302 was around 350HP. And yes it was mid to top end HP. Very stout, however it just show today's V8's rule (and they get better mileage).
For the SCCA racing 302 I'll let you google and find the info.

I don't need to Google it, I know what the differences were, just wanted to know if you did. The recent test you refer to perhaps was the one where they built a 302, 327, and a 350 to see how they performed? If that is your "authoritative" documentation then you are operating under very false assumptions. None of the builds on any of the three engines was totally correct, you only need to read "we substituted part such and such as it should be close enough" and that was done with numerous parts. That article IMHO was total BS. Yes today's engines are very good, but I think that some of the old engines are given far less credit than they are due.
Clyde

[99-LS1-SS]

Originally Posted by SSmoked

ur forgetting the SS is pulling near gt500 numbers with 100hp less. so a camaro with 505hp will pretty much take a gt500.

The numbers are a little misleading. The GT500 had pretty bad traction issues. At about 1000 feet into the run it looked like the Camaro threw out an anchor as the GT500 pull away. There is no doubt the GT500 is faster than the SS.

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by wildpaws

I don't need to Google it, I know what the differences were, just wanted to know if you did. The recent test you refer to perhaps was the one where they built a 302, 327, and a 350 to see how they performed? If that is your "authoritative" documentation then you are operating under very false assumptions. None of the builds on any of the three engines was totally correct, you only need to read "we substituted part such and such as it should be close enough" and that was done with numerous parts. That article IMHO was total BS. Yes today's engines are very good, but I think that some of the old engines are given far less credit than they are due.
Clyde

Then why ask?
The substitutes were of better/minor parts if I remember correctly. (thanks to the poster, it was Super Chevy)
I don't think a pro Chevy mag would do something to damage the rep of an iconic Chevy engine.
As I said it's been written about for years in different magazines & books. I've owned and coveted Camaros since the mid 70's, and have read many books etc about my fave the first gen. Z/28.

The 302 is an awesome motor as I believe I mentioned in my first post. Very few muscle type cars were capable of such high revs. It was built as a race car no doubt. It's just that the legend has been blown a little out of proportion.

And, don't forget Penske was very good at "cheating" the rules by doing numerous things to the engine/cars to win as they all did back then.
And along with the heads there were different cams used in the full out racing engines.

In closing 360HP out of a 302 back in 1967-69 is nothing to feel bad about.

[wildpaws]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

Then why ask?
The substitutes were of better/minor parts if I remember correctly. (thanks to the poster, it was Super Chevy)
I don't think a pro Chevy mag would do something to damage the rep of an iconic Chevy engine.
As I said it's been written about for years in different magazines & books. I've owned and coveted Camaros since the mid 70's, and have read many books etc about my fave the first gen. Z/28.

The 302 is an awesome motor as I believe I mentioned in my first post. Very few muscle type cars were capable of such high revs. It was built as a race car no doubt. It's just that the legend has been blown a little out of proportion.

And, don't forget Penske was very good at "cheating" the rules by doing numerous things to the engine/cars to win as they all did back then.
And along with the heads there were different cams used in the full out racing engines.

In closing 360HP out of a 302 back in 1967-69 is nothing to feel bad about.

For some reason, I once again can't get the "smilies" to work on this site. Anyway, with a big grin, I agree with you that cheating the rules was done to gain an advantage in EVERY form of auto racing over the years, Smokey Yunick consistently brought the fastest cars to NASCAR tracks years ago, but it would take him two days to get it to the point of passing a tech inspection. Though I think one of his best was at an SCCA Trans-Am race, a pre-race tech inspection had uncovered violations, Smokey's Z/28 was sitting there torn to pieces with the gas tank on the ground and an SCCA tech inspector said "You've got seven violations that need to be corrected". Smokey promptly jumped in the car, said "You'd better make that eight!" and started up the car and drove off leaving the gas tank at the tech inspectors feet. Anyway, despite my love of first gen. Camaros (Z/28s in particular), to get back on topic I do think that all signs are pointing to the LSA in this new Z/28. And I'm not excited about an overweight high horsepower version, but we'll get whatever Chevy ends up producing. At 60 years old I'm looking at buying probably my last Camaro and it would have been awesome to have a new Z/28 that was more heritage oriented.
Clyde