Kenne Bell vs Whipple

[Tyler@ExtremePerformance]

I second that wow. I am behind you Ted that was in a way a low blow from them. I agree its their loss not ours. We have in any way changed this data then what we pull from the car, and with driving. It is facts as well. Speechless also.

[Nvincent4708]

Wow! Also agree with unable to change the data you logged as I've done hours and hours of data logging.

And KB might not want the help, but us Camaro5 members may. Hate to say. That may have changed me from the future KB for my LSX. I might be going Whipple now.

[nyny69]

Originally Posted by Matt@KB

That was my post, not Matt's. Sorry, but I don't view any of your posts as "positive" for Kenne Bell or our customers. For your wallet perhaps, but not KB. My opinion is that being a Whipple Dealer and not being able to sell Kenne Bell does lead me to believe you may have an agenda and just might be biased, but I could be wrong. You have never called and asked us to help with your KB tuning issues. We would gladly send you the pipe, Honeycomb and tune to make the customer happy. That's always our #1 priority. Instead, you are set on promoting "your" 4" pipe and tune. I run all air flow tests at KB and the 4" does not meet our standards on this kit. If a 4" was better, I would have used it. And I NEVER said you were "less than a good tuner." As you stated, I don't even know you or your capabilities. Like it or not, believe it or not, the Honeycomb does work with the 4.5" pipe and solves the drive-ability issue for the manual AND automatic trans KB Camaros. Ted, what part of that do you not comprehend? Yes Ted, I'm Jim Bell. I own Kenne Bell. There IS a fix for it. It's a KB kit. We DO NOT want your help or advice. You have become involved with a couple of Kenne Bell customers who had drive-ability issues. We have continually offered to help you and the customers, who Matt is working with. You don't like the fact that KB won't lay down and tell our 3 customers they need to buy your pipe and re-tune. Not my problem.

Our data does not agree with your KB tests, particularly that 56 degree temp rise with the KB vs 9 degrees with Whipple. We only log a 15-20 degree rise as shown on the KB tests we posted. Our Dealers also don't agree with the 56 degrees either. More on this later.

Finley Customs, a KB Installer Tuner in Las Vegas / Henderson Nevada has a manual and auto Camaro they just did. Both work great with the 4.5" and Honeycomb. ST Motorsports has 6 Camaros. They all drive OK and make good power. You think I should recommend your 4" pipe and tune for all our customers even if they don't need it? Surely, you are joking.

Finally, what are you saying about the L99? I'm not avoiding anything. Once again Ted, we have the L99 tune handled. Our customers (new and old) DO NOT NEED YOUR EXPENSIVE TUNE AND 4" PIPE. Give it up. We DO NOT want the kind of help you offer. We prefer to work with our KB Dealers who cooperate with us and do what's best and less costly for the customers. Our 4.5" works fine and KB owners love the extra HP it produces over stock type or hot under-hood filters. And it doesn't cost any more. It's standard equipment on all kits.

Wow, what a kick in the ballz. Ted is not the only respected tuner trying to help here. Other respected tuners have chimed in with the same issues. Your own customers have had the loudest voice in this thread. What does that say to them.

The one line from your response pretty much sums it up "We prefer to work with our KB Dealers who cooperate with us".

No constructive criticizing allowed. Reminds me of something

"We are the Borg"
"You will be assimilated"
"Resistance is Futile"

[GMRULZ]

Originally Posted by WhoMadeWho

Compare that to Whipple who took their customer feedback resolved the IAT temp sensor location issue. Whipple has a better product and MUCH BETTER customer service.

Yep, that is the kind of experience I had w/ them as well, I had one of their first kits, was one of the first automatic cars one was installed on other than at their shop, I had a couple of questions and some constructive feedback and also provided them w/ a picture, and they were very happy to listen and even added a line to their instructions per my recomendation. Thats why this response by KB has floored me...:(

[newmoon]

I can assure you this when I decide to boost my SS I will never consider a KB after reading some of the responses listed here. I do feel bad for those whom have already layed out their hard earned dollars, but I'm sure they are thankful that somebody hears their concerns and is taking steps to try to address them.

[old motorhead]

This is like ritual suicide instead of looking at other alternatives. Maybe something like..."We'll look into it, consider it, and get back to you, our customers, with answers." Naaaa....lets just jump off the cliff. Sheeeeze

[DarricSS]

Originally Posted by boostedyards86

I wanna change my supercharger and am looking for maximum power. Which style makes more. Seems the whipples have a better design, but it seems Kenne Bell's have better track times with less mods. Just trying to figure out which setup I should go with next and can't really seem to make up my mind.

Originally Posted by boostedyards86

i find it strange only one person is showing good iat numbers with the kb. honestly my mind is made up. I'm going to get a whipple...

Looks like you where able to make an informed decision...

[mikepage0007]

been a busy day here , as i knew it would,..am hoping to get some real time track runs in tomorrow at pbir...weather is killing me...kind of feel left out, i haven,t posted any logs..lol....weather permitting i will post tomorrow,s runs...maybe they will look good..?? seen stranger things lately..don,t have much to add...seems everythings been covered...for know

[mcdoogle6969]

Originally Posted by mikepage0007

been a busy day here , as i knew it would,..am hoping to get some real time track runs in tomorrow at pbir...weather is killing me...kind of feel left out, i haven,t posted any logs..lol....weather permitting i will post tomorrow,s runs...maybe they will look good..?? seen stranger things lately..don,t have much to add...seems everythings been covered...for know

Let me know what you run!

[mikepage0007]

Originally Posted by mcdoogle6969

Let me know what you run!

i will post tomorrow runs, may not post logs till thursday as it will be late...will be running with just 1 of my club members, who has the 2.8 lc...but tyler @ extreme performance will log both kbs and g200 has the chiller...so we will log his first run with no chiller...then his other runs with chiller.

[Turbo99]

You better get some race gas... keep that knock down....its been hot lately and you know your gonna be over 180* IAT....lol

I may get my car back tomorrow and run too....I hope

[G200 Pilot]

Originally Posted by Matt@KB

I don't know why you paid $10000 or what issues you have with the kit. We've received a lot of positive response from our Camaro customers about the Air Temp Testing post. We weren't "defending" anything. If our kits didn't WORK and make great HP, we wouldn't be selling them. Truth is that the IAT temps we posted are accurate for our kits. Sorry, you have that opinion of the data we posted. I wrote the post to help everyone understand there ARE variables in testing.

There IS more to this IAT scenario. 125-140 degrees is not "bad." There are many factors involved. I merely attempted to point them out. Give me a call personally and I'd be happy to discuss and help you with any issues you might have with our kit.

The only issue I have has to do with IATS at the track. That's what I would like to see you address and come up with a fix. You say that 125-140* is not bad, I agree; how about 220*? That's my concern... That's what my KB friend (Mike Page) and I are seeing on the track and dyno. Mike has the 2.8 and I , the liquid cooled. Have gone to the expense and hassle to install a super chiller in hopes of correcting the unacceptable IATs I'm seeing. Will post findings this thursday if the weather cooperates. Glad to see Jim Bell is monitoring this thread. I will be calling you this week, after I log IATS at the track.

[Turbo99]

Maybe he ment 125-140* above ambient isn't bad........lol


Good luck at the track, hope the chiller keeps them in check for you. I didn't see much power gain from the chiller but I wasn't getting nearly as hot as you are so maybe you will see some gain in ET and MPH from it.

[mikepage0007]

well , we usually have a 1/4 tank of 93 when heading to track and put in about 5 gallons of sunoco 100,,,i guess that puts us about 97 octane...also i have some meth running, that helps with burn