Is the ZL1 to escape the Gas guzzler tax? - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

armysig · 03-07-2011, 10:03 PM

Ok, this is a pretty loaded question. We all know that GM will not confirm the details of the car just yet.

Now here is my theory to why I will say "Yes, the ZL1 will not be hit with the gas guzzler tax."

ZL1 LSA to receive 3.73 gearing, while the CTS-V coupe, LSA has 4.15's. and the fuel economy on the CTS-V is 12 in the city and 18 on the highway, which would get tagged for the gas guzzler tax (I think).
The Ford Mustang GT-500 is now rated at 15mpg in the city and 23 on the highway, with the 5.4 liter supercharged engine.
GM has stated that they are gunning to beat the Ford GT-500 in all aspects of the vehicle competition, I would have to assume this includes fuel mileage.

So there are a few points that I have found. My reference for the CTS-V coupe is off of the GM site here

While the Ford GT 500 is out of this months Motor Trend, April 2011, article Five Figure Phenoms, Page 34.

I may or may not be correct, but I would love to hear some in site on my theory. I know there are a lot of good engine builders out there, maybe they can shed some light on the subject.

SuperFly03 · 03-07-2011, 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by armysig

Ok, this is a pretty loaded question. We all know that GM will not confirm the details of the car just yet.

Now here is my theory to why I will say "Yes, the ZL1 will not be hit with the gas guzzler tax."

ZL1 LSA to receive 3.73 gearing, while the CTS-V coupe, LSA has 4.15's. and the fuel economy on the CTS-V is 12 in the city and 18 on the highway, which would get tagged for the gas guzzler tax (I think).
The Ford Mustang GT-500 is now rated at 15mpg in the city and 23 on the highway, with the 5.4 liter supercharged engine.
GM has stated that they are gunning to beat the Ford GT-500 in all aspects of the vehicle competition, I would have to assume this includes fuel mileage.

So there are a few points that I have found. My reference for the CTS-V coupe is off of the GM site here

While the Ford GT 500 is out of this months Motor Trend, April 2011, article Five Figure Phenoms, Page 34.

I may or may not be correct, but I would love to hear some in site on my theory. I know there are a lot of good engine builders out there, maybe they can shed some light on the subject.

I could be wrong... but I don't think it will beat the GT500 in mileage. The SS sits at 16/24 which is a tick above the GT500's 15/23. So tack on some weight, add a SC, etc. and I would imagine 14/21 maybe with the lower drive ratio.

Just my 2 cents.

As a side note: we all know no one cares about mileage on these cars except whether or not they have to pay gas guzzler tax.

Supercamaro64 · 03-07-2011, 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperFly03

I could be wrong... but I don't think it will beat the GT500 in mileage. The SS sits at 16/24 which is a tick above the GT500's 15/23. So tack on some weight, add a SC, etc. and I would imagine 14/21 maybe with the lower drive ratio.

Just my 2 cents.

As a side note: we all know no one cares about mileage on these cars except whether or not they have to pay gas guzzler tax.

Exactly. No one wants to pay the Guzzler tax, but if you buy a ZL1, you dont get it for fuel economy lol. if youre worried about that get a Volt!

(or ANYTHING but a Prius!!)

THE EVIL TW1N · 03-07-2011, 11:15 PM

i see the GT500 doesnt get hit with the tax, but doesnt a car have to have a combined average of 22.5 MPG? or is it only highway MPG that has to be better than 22.5?

Z_Rocks · 03-07-2011, 11:44 PM

Here is the Fuel Efficiency info, on CTS-V that uses the same engine, but a bit heavier:

EPA est. Fuel Economy City 12 MPG
EPA est. Fuel Economy Highway 18 MPG
Fuel Tank Capacity 18 gal

with these number, 12/18 I suspect it gets Tax Guzzler.

THE EVIL TW1N · 03-08-2011, 12:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Z_Rocks

Here is the Fuel Efficiency info, on CTS-V that uses the same engine, but a bit heavier:

EPA est. Fuel Economy City 12 MPG
EPA est. Fuel Economy Highway 18 MPG
Fuel Tank Capacity 18 gal

with these number, 12/18 I suspect it gets Tax Guzzler.

i think minimum mileage has to hit 22.5mpg.

they might find a way to eek through but i bet its gonna be tough.

Mark H · 03-08-2011, 01:25 AM

How many would be willing to pay the tax to have more HP?

Caliman93230 · 03-08-2011, 01:31 AM

yeah be prepered to pay up for the gas tax, theirs no way i see it different with the zl1 being as fat as it is,

chewy8 · 03-08-2011, 08:16 AM

i hope no gas tax

Z4me · 03-08-2011, 08:41 AM

I believe not having an automatic transmission will affect sales of the ZL1 more then would the added gas tax tbh. Most serious buyers of this car will still be buy this car regardless of that tax being implemented. For some it just means holding backing on some mods after they first buy the car. Do I want to see a gas tax on this baby, heck no but it won't stop me from buying one if t happens.

OldJedi · 03-08-2011, 08:42 AM

I have talked about this before. I think that it is going to very close either way, I am sure that Chevy is doing everything they can to avoid the tax and still maintain a GT500 crusher. That is a tough combination with a heavier car. I have my fingers crossed but no matter which way it goes, I am buying my ZL1.

67 Convertible · 03-08-2011, 08:43 AM

How much is the gas guzzler tax and how is it calculated?
Is it a yearly fee or a one time fee at purchase? Who collects the tax?

OldJedi · 03-08-2011, 09:15 AM

Figure somewhere in the area of $1,200.00 plus or minus a little bit.

THE EVIL TW1N · 03-08-2011, 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 67 Convertible

How much is the gas guzzler tax and how is it calculated?
Is it a yearly fee or a one time fee at purchase? Who collects the tax?

one time deal. payed when the car is purchase.

03-07-2011, 10:03 PM	#1
armysig Catch me if you can Drives: 2012 IOM ZL-1 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 2,461 View My Garage	Is the ZL1 to escape the Gas guzzler tax? Ok, this is a pretty loaded question. We all know that GM will not confirm the details of the car just yet. Now here is my theory to why I will say "Yes, the ZL1 will not be hit with the gas guzzler tax." ZL1 LSA to receive 3.73 gearing, while the CTS-V coupe, LSA has 4.15's. and the fuel economy on the CTS-V is 12 in the city and 18 on the highway, which would get tagged for the gas guzzler tax (I think). The Ford Mustang GT-500 is now rated at 15mpg in the city and 23 on the highway, with the 5.4 liter supercharged engine. GM has stated that they are gunning to beat the Ford GT-500 in all aspects of the vehicle competition, I would have to assume this includes fuel mileage. So there are a few points that I have found. My reference for the CTS-V coupe is off of the GM site here While the Ford GT 500 is out of this months Motor Trend, April 2011, article Five Figure Phenoms, Page 34. I may or may not be correct, but I would love to hear some in site on my theory. I know there are a lot of good engine builders out there, maybe they can shed some light on the subject. __________________

03-08-2011, 01:25 AM	#7
Mark H Drives: 04 Denali Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: stockton ca Posts: 390	How many would be willing to pay the tax to have more HP? __________________ But Officer, I swear its just a vacuum leak. Those red things? those are smog pumps! 2004 Sierra Denali ----- 2/4 drop LSX 438 TWIN TURBO LSX Block Video Block number 00370. Build Date 04/17/2007

03-08-2011, 01:31 AM	#8
Caliman93230 Drives: LS3S/C Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: CALI Posts: 1,344	yeah be prepered to pay up for the gas tax, theirs no way i see it different with the zl1 being as fat as it is, __________________ MODS whipple 2.9L s/c, ADM race scoop, 600 rwhp 550 wrtq, .

03-08-2011, 08:41 AM	#10
Z4me Drives: 2013 ZL1 IOM Vin #169 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,953	I believe not having an automatic transmission will affect sales of the ZL1 more then would the added gas tax tbh. Most serious buyers of this car will still be buy this car regardless of that tax being implemented. For some it just means holding backing on some mods after they first buy the car. Do I want to see a gas tax on this baby, heck no but it won't stop me from buying one if t happens. Last edited by Z4me; 03-08-2011 at 08:52 AM.

03-08-2011, 08:42 AM	#11
OldJedi Use the Force Drives: 2015 Corvette Z51, 2018 Porsche GTS Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Davie, Fl. Posts: 3,862	I have talked about this before. I think that it is going to very close either way, I am sure that Chevy is doing everything they can to avoid the tax and still maintain a GT500 crusher. That is a tough combination with a heavier car. I have my fingers crossed but no matter which way it goes, I am buying my ZL1. __________________ Walk softly, carry a light saber and drive a ZL1! Last edited by OldJedi; 03-08-2011 at 10:42 AM.

03-07-2011, 11:15 PM	#4
THE EVIL TW1N Banned Drives: 2003 Cobra Convertible Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: CA Posts: 2,925	i see the GT500 doesnt get hit with the tax, but doesnt a car have to have a combined average of 22.5 MPG? or is it only highway MPG that has to be better than 22.5?

03-07-2011, 11:44 PM	#5
Z_Rocks Drives: everyone crazy... Join Date: May 2009 Location: SW Florida Posts: 2,109	Here is the Fuel Efficiency info, on CTS-V that uses the same engine, but a bit heavier: EPA est. Fuel Economy City 12 MPG EPA est. Fuel Economy Highway 18 MPG Fuel Tank Capacity 18 gal with these number, 12/18 I suspect it gets Tax Guzzler.

03-08-2011, 08:16 AM	#9
chewy8 Drives: 96 bonneville Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: il Posts: 60	i hope no gas tax

03-08-2011, 08:43 AM	#12
67 Convertible Drives: 67 Camaro Convertible Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: MA Posts: 1,721	How much is the gas guzzler tax and how is it calculated? Is it a yearly fee or a one time fee at purchase? Who collects the tax? __________________ _____________________________________________ 2LT/RS RJT, Blk Rally Stripes, Beige Interior, Sunroof Placed order at dealer 4/24/09 1100 - 4/28/09 2000 - 5/01/09 2500 - 5/05/09 3000 - 5/05/09 3300 - 5/30/09 3400 - 6/05/09 3800 - 6/18/09 4000 - 6/18/09 4B00 - 6/18/09 4200 - 6/22/09 5000 - 7/01/09 6000 - 7/01/09 It's Home!! 0000 - 7/14/11 Traded in with 24,000 miles. Currently 5th Gen less

03-08-2011, 09:15 AM	#13
OldJedi Use the Force Drives: 2015 Corvette Z51, 2018 Porsche GTS Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Davie, Fl. Posts: 3,862	Figure somewhere in the area of $1,200.00 plus or minus a little bit. __________________ Walk softly, carry a light saber and drive a ZL1!

Similar Threads
Thread	Thread Starter	Forum	Replies	Last Post
BREAKING: 2012 CAMARO ZL1 - 6.2L LSA Supercharged - 6MT Revealed!	Tran	Camaro ZL1 Forum - ZL1 Specific Topics	756	05-01-2013 06:22 AM
gas prices.	Congoman775	General Automotive + Other Cars Discussion	65	05-28-2008 12:20 PM
Gas Guzzler Tax	Roflmao	Camaro V8 LS3 / L99 Engine, Exhaust, and Bolt-Ons	11	02-29-2008 05:29 PM
gas guzzler tax	Mike88	Canada	15	01-08-2008 12:54 AM