Will the new Z06 fit the criteria for supercar? - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

Manbearpig · 02-26-2014, 01:18 PM

In short, this.

Was wandering through the Gold Coast of Chicago today with a friend and we took a few detours, visited the Bentley dealer and a showroom with a Stingray sitting out front. He's a big import guy but he definitely gave the stingray its props which was cool.

Eventually we got into a interesting conversation about the Z06 due out, since I'm currently planning to purchase one I may have gotten a bit more heart into it but I told him I figured the new Z06 would fit well as a supercar. He looked at me as if I was crazy, even when mentioning the ZR1 he would not budge on anything more then a high end sports car. Mind you, he's all about the Lamborghinis and in terms of cars prefers imports but I felt he was narrowing the definition of supercar down to only price range and name brand, of which I informed him Vettes have gotten regular kills of cars far beyond their price range. Nonetheless it piqued my curiosity.

I wanted to ask you guys, was I overzealous? Does the Corvette belong in the realm of high end sports car or would it be appropriate to label the Z06 and ZR1 trims supercar? What would be the adequate definition of a supercar as it seems to vary from site to site and enthusiast to enthusiast. Has it changed over time? I've heard of hypercars as well but being younger I wanted some insight from some folks who have been around the block so to speak.

NOTE: I did post this in the Corvette site as well, wanted to see how everyone felt.

Spartan01 · 02-26-2014, 01:20 PM

Yes

*The_Blur* · 02-26-2014, 01:22 PM

I would say so. The Z06 has been a supercar for years, in my opinion, and the next one will be a blast. I think it would be safe to argue that some of our Camaros, especially those built by the likes of Nickey Chicago, Hennessey, and Lingenfelter, fall into the supercar category, too.

FenwickHockey65 · 02-26-2014, 01:25 PM

Yes.

45thAnniversary2SS · 02-26-2014, 01:26 PM

Z06, probably not. ZR1 yes.

FenwickHockey65 · 02-26-2014, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by 45thAnniversary2SS

Z06, probably not. ZR1 yes.

C7 Z06 is already faster than the C6 ZR1.

Inferno LSX · 02-26-2014, 02:13 PM

Super car numbers, not supercar price tag. Doesn't fit both super car check off boxes so I'd say no. Not a super car status.

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Billy10mm · 02-26-2014, 02:32 PM

I'm a no. A supercar isn't just about stats. It's about a certain amount of exclusivity too, and regardless of which version it is, it is still a Corvette.

McLaren 12C, Ferrari 458 & F12, Lamborghini Gallardo & Murcielago, and a few others. Even the 911 Turbo or GT2/3 variants aren't supercars in my book (maybe because I work in Manhattan and see 911s lining the streets).

McLaren P1, Porsche 918, La Ferrari ... hyper-cars.

That said .. if I had $300K to spend on a new vehicle right now, C7 Z06 and a Z/28 would be a great combo (Z/28 would allow me to take both my sons for a blast instead of 1 at a time). Although I personally believe the Z06 isn't a supercar, it it were my money, I wouldn't care one iota.

45thAnniversary2SS · 02-26-2014, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

C7 Z06 is already faster than the C6 ZR1.

True...if you want to compare a new generation to an old one that's fine.

Also, you are making the assumption that I think speed determines whether or not it is a supercar. I do not.

I know GM claims they aren't building a C7 ZR1, but I don't buy that. Would think they would sell less Z06 if people know a superior model is coming out. And if they did it would beat the socks of the C7 Z06. Agreed?

FenwickHockey65 · 02-26-2014, 02:48 PM

I have enough reason to believe there may not be a C7 ZR1 considering what's in development right now.

45thAnniversary2SS · 02-26-2014, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

I have enough reason to believe there may not be a C7 ZR1 considering what's in development right now.

Even if so, wouldn't change my mind about the Z06 not being a supercar. I've stated my opinion and do not have to justify it.

G8GT4now · 02-26-2014, 02:57 PM

If I can afford it, then it can't be a supercar.

*DGthe3* · 02-26-2014, 03:43 PM

Corvettes are not supercars. They weren't in the C6 generation, they aren't in the C7 generation, and they won't be in the C8 generation. Even the most hardcore Corvette is, at its heart, a mainstream car. Doesn't matter how fast it goes, or how crazy it looks, or how expensive it is, its all going to be based off of a car that starts in the $50,000 range and sells tens of thousands of units. Such a basis does not make for a supercar.

That said, I should make it clear that I don't care about supercars and I'm glad that Corvettes aren't supercars. I don't see cars as being status symbols (though I accept many people do) and consider garaging a car to be wasting the time of the engineers who designed the car in the first place.

nester7929 · 02-26-2014, 04:26 PM

The Corvette is in a similar class with the GTR and the 911:

Too expensive and powerful to be mainstream, but not enough to be a supercar.

02-26-2014, 01:18 PM	#1
Manbearpig Engineer of softness-ware Drives: 2013 2LT RS Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: SoCal/Chicago Posts: 741	Will the new Z06 fit the criteria for supercar? In short, this. Was wandering through the Gold Coast of Chicago today with a friend and we took a few detours, visited the Bentley dealer and a showroom with a Stingray sitting out front. He's a big import guy but he definitely gave the stingray its props which was cool. Eventually we got into a interesting conversation about the Z06 due out, since I'm currently planning to purchase one I may have gotten a bit more heart into it but I told him I figured the new Z06 would fit well as a supercar. He looked at me as if I was crazy, even when mentioning the ZR1 he would not budge on anything more then a high end sports car. Mind you, he's all about the Lamborghinis and in terms of cars prefers imports but I felt he was narrowing the definition of supercar down to only price range and name brand, of which I informed him Vettes have gotten regular kills of cars far beyond their price range. Nonetheless it piqued my curiosity. I wanted to ask you guys, was I overzealous? Does the Corvette belong in the realm of high end sports car or would it be appropriate to label the Z06 and ZR1 trims supercar? What would be the adequate definition of a supercar as it seems to vary from site to site and enthusiast to enthusiast. Has it changed over time? I've heard of hypercars as well but being younger I wanted some insight from some folks who have been around the block so to speak. NOTE: I did post this in the Corvette site as well, wanted to see how everyone felt.

02-26-2014, 01:20 PM	#2
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02-26-2014, 01:22 PM	#3
The_Blur Moderator Drives: 2018 Harley-Davidson Street Bob Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: San Diego Posts: 14,769	I would say so. The Z06 has been a supercar for years, in my opinion, and the next one will be a blast. I think it would be safe to argue that some of our Camaros, especially those built by the likes of Nickey Chicago, Hennessey, and Lingenfelter, fall into the supercar category, too. __________________ RDP Motorsport//GEN5DIY//Cultrag Performance//JPSS//Rodgets Chevrolet// Operation Demon//Buy at Invoice//RACECARWEAR RESPECT ALL CARS. LOVE YOUR OWN. warn 145:159 ban

02-26-2014, 01:25 PM	#4
FenwickHockey65 General Motors Aficionado Drives: 2023 GMC Canyon, 2020 Colorado Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Florida Posts: 37,371 View My Garage	Yes. __________________ 2023 GMC Canyon Elevation 2020 Chevrolet Colorado W/T Extended Cab (State-issued)

02-26-2014, 01:26 PM	#5
45thAnniversary2SS Drives: 2012 45th Anniversary 2SS LS3 Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 2,812 View My Garage	Z06, probably not. ZR1 yes. __________________

02-26-2014, 02:13 PM	#7
Inferno LSX Supercharged LSX Drives: 2011 2SS/RS Black/Carbon Fiber Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: City of Angels Posts: 6,741 View My Garage	Will the new Z06 fit the criteria for supercar? Super car numbers, not supercar price tag. Doesn't fit both super car check off boxes so I'd say no. Not a super car status. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk - __________________

02-26-2014, 02:32 PM	#8
Billy10mm Drives: 2014 Camaro 2SS 1LE NPP Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Hartsdale, NY Posts: 1,434	I'm a no. A supercar isn't just about stats. It's about a certain amount of exclusivity too, and regardless of which version it is, it is still a Corvette. McLaren 12C, Ferrari 458 & F12, Lamborghini Gallardo & Murcielago, and a few others. Even the 911 Turbo or GT2/3 variants aren't supercars in my book (maybe because I work in Manhattan and see 911s lining the streets). McLaren P1, Porsche 918, La Ferrari ... hyper-cars. That said .. if I had $300K to spend on a new vehicle right now, C7 Z06 and a Z/28 would be a great combo (Z/28 would allow me to take both my sons for a blast instead of 1 at a time). Although I personally believe the Z06 isn't a supercar, it it were my money, I wouldn't care one iota.

02-26-2014, 02:48 PM	#10
FenwickHockey65 General Motors Aficionado Drives: 2023 GMC Canyon, 2020 Colorado Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Florida Posts: 37,371 View My Garage	I have enough reason to believe there may not be a C7 ZR1 considering what's in development right now. __________________ 2023 GMC Canyon Elevation 2020 Chevrolet Colorado W/T Extended Cab (State-issued)

02-26-2014, 02:57 PM	#12
G8GT4now Drives: 14 SS Sedan Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 474	If I can afford it, then it can't be a supercar.

02-26-2014, 03:43 PM	#13
DGthe3 Moderator.ca Drives: 05 Grand Am GT Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Niagara, Canada Posts: 25,372	Corvettes are not supercars. They weren't in the C6 generation, they aren't in the C7 generation, and they won't be in the C8 generation. Even the most hardcore Corvette is, at its heart, a mainstream car. Doesn't matter how fast it goes, or how crazy it looks, or how expensive it is, its all going to be based off of a car that starts in the $50,000 range and sells tens of thousands of units. Such a basis does not make for a supercar. That said, I should make it clear that I don't care about supercars and I'm glad that Corvettes aren't supercars. I don't see cars as being status symbols (though I accept many people do) and consider garaging a car to be wasting the time of the engineers who designed the car in the first place. __________________ Note, if I've gotten any facts wrong in the above, just ignore any points I made with them __________________ Originally Posted by FbodFather My sister's dentist's brother's cousin's housekeeper's dog-breeder's nephew sells coffee filters to the company that provides coffee to General Motors...... ........and HE WOULD KNOW!!!! __________________ Camaro Fest sub-forum

02-26-2014, 04:26 PM	#14
nester7929 Rice Harvester Drives: 2014 Bright Yellow 2SS/RS Join Date: May 2008 Location: Plainview, TX Posts: 1,449	The Corvette is in a similar class with the GTR and the 911: Too expensive and powerful to be mainstream, but not enough to be a supercar.