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John_C · 11-25-2018, 03:54 PM

Took these pics a while back.

WTF is the build-up on these?

I run E85 mostly. I have used Lucas E85 treatment off and on, but...

fly2hip8 · 11-25-2018, 07:42 PM

Looks like ash deposits

608RS · 11-25-2018, 07:47 PM

white/ashy color usually indicates overheating. how have oil / coolant temps been?

https://www.freeasestudyguides.com/e...park-plug.html

christianchevell · 11-26-2018, 10:38 AM

https://www.bing.com/images/search?q...e-85&FORM=IGRE

Its a guessing game..too much oil blow by with the oil diluted from the mass amount of Corn fuel compared to Gasoline? Corn flakes..... Or too lean also a possibility.... not a good one either. It is also vitally import the gap you have for the fuel you use, and the proper heat range plug and how many miles on it until it looks like that? What Ngk IX number? I use tr6ix, others use tr551x and don't do corn and mine are pretty pristine every time I pull the which is sort of every 10 k or so to inspect.. and I don't ever attempt a re-gap on iridium. Here I would say its just from poor fuel quality and being not blown why you want to run corn...its best to cool Forced Induction engines as it sprays so much more fuel and cools the combustion process...……. which builds up excess heat FI..... straight from NGK

https://www.onallcylinders.com/2012/...r-spark-plugs/

xc_SS/RS · 11-26-2018, 04:03 PM

After looking around online I’d say oil is getting into the combustion chamber and you might be experiencing higher than normal temperatures. Those threads look coated in oil man

Edit- Fuel additives will also cause the ashy build up. Are those stock plugs?

pnwdan · 11-26-2018, 04:21 PM

I would say fuel additives. The threads look like they are coated with some sort of penetrating lube or oil causing the ends to discolor as the fluid runs onto them. That ash color is probably what the whole end looked like before the oil got on them.

marklsx · 11-26-2018, 10:16 PM

That's a lot of oil. Did you seal the intake rocker bolts? Or maybe check the valve seals.

John_C · 11-29-2018, 12:39 AM

It's been having some oil consumption issues after I had a friend do my Heads, Cam and all for me. He is a Nissan Engineer and has a shop with a lift behind his house. I'm sure he is competent, but might not know everything about the LS3 aka L99 engines.

I did a Mishimoto catch can and it catches some oil, but not near as much as it consumes.

I think it's eating about a qt every 3 or 4 weeks. I drive it hard and about 350 miles a week now since my beater car is down.

It doesn't smoke at all, but you can smell a tiny tinge of oil in the exhaust (catless).

Maybe he did forget to seal the rocker arm bolts. I'll ask him Friday.

Valve seals are new and came on the TFS GenX 255 heads. I run them with the TSP VVT 3.2 cam kit and it came with polished PAC .660's with Ti retainers.

As a side note...

Had my other friend look at my logs, too. The car was running lean and had some knock retard.

We've been adding fuel to the tune off my daily drive to work logs. It's running a lot stronger now.

xc_SS/RS · 11-29-2018, 08:32 AM

I'd start with the above suggestion of sealing the rocker arm bolts and see what that gets you if it wasn't done.

How long have you been working on this tune? I know you were on another forum or two working with some guys on it but don't remember when you made the posts.

sixty9fordkiller · 11-29-2018, 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John_C

It's been having some oil consumption issues.......

I think it's eating about a qt every 3 or 4 weeks..........

I drive it hard

Its normal if you drive it hard

marklsx · 11-29-2018, 09:16 PM

A quart every 1000 to 1200 miles is a lot. I don't drive my car hard but I do put on about 600 miles a week. No oil consumption issues.

RankSS · 11-29-2018, 10:08 PM

Valve guide seals improperly installed?
Should not be using that much oil. Plugs are oil fouled.

John_C · 11-29-2018, 11:47 PM

I'm giving up on this car.

Trans threw p0700 and p0716 codes tonight.

It was the straw that broke the camels back so to speak.

With the tuning problems, oil consumption issues that's had me chasing my tail, and the frustration it has caused me over the past yer of owning it, I'm putting it up for sale. If it doesn't sell, I'll trade it in.

Fwiw...

Everyone on my local forum knows the issues I've had so not selling it without disclosing the issues.

$12k in mods and labor down the drain.

Lesson learned!

I'll just buy a factory hotrod with warranty next and leave it stock.

ZL1 or ZO6 is next.

Rob10CamaroSS · 11-30-2018, 05:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marklsx

A quart every 1000 to 1200 miles is a lot. I don't drive my car hard but I do put on about 600 miles a week. No oil consumption issues.

I'm with you Mark, I have a high HP Supercharged L99 and I drive it HARD.

I have not added a single drop of oil to it in the 2 years I've been driving it

11-25-2018, 03:54 PM	#1
John_C LSx FTW!!! Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS RS Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: TN Posts: 767	Read These Plugs Took these pics a while back. WTF is the build-up on these? I run E85 mostly. I have used Lucas E85 treatment off and on, but... Attached Images __________________ 2010 2SS RS A6 781rwhp on E85 Stage 2 ProCharger D1X Circle D 3400 Triple Disc Kooks Jet Hot Headers Kooks Full 3in exhaust Trick Flow GenX 255's Polished PAC .660's & Ti-retainers TSP VVT 3.2 cam kit w/DoD Delete Smith Bro's Trunnion kit AEM X-Series OBDII Widebands FIC ID1300x Injectors GM ZL1 High Output Fuel Pump DSX Tuning Flex Sensor DSX Auxiliary Fuel System Tim King Stage 4 Max Effort CTSV 6L90 DSS 1 piece aluminum driveshaft JRE 6L80E / 6L90E Dipstick NGK Iridium IX spark plugs #7 heat range Mighty Mouse Camaro 5 Wild w/-12an and Billet Black HP Tuners VCM Suite

11-25-2018, 07:47 PM	#3
608RS Drives: 2015 2ss Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Carol Stream IL Posts: 638	white/ashy color usually indicates overheating. how have oil / coolant temps been? https://www.freeasestudyguides.com/e...park-plug.html __________________ 2015 Camaro 2ss, NicKey Performance built/tuned

11-26-2018, 10:38 AM	#4
christianchevell old school chevy rodder Drives: 2013 2SS/RS Manual,DM exhaust,CRT Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Oregon Posts: 5,587 View My Garage	https://www.bing.com/images/search?q...e-85&FORM=IGRE Its a guessing game..too much oil blow by with the oil diluted from the mass amount of Corn fuel compared to Gasoline? Corn flakes..... Or too lean also a possibility.... not a good one either. It is also vitally import the gap you have for the fuel you use, and the proper heat range plug and how many miles on it until it looks like that? What Ngk IX number? I use tr6ix, others use tr551x and don't do corn and mine are pretty pristine every time I pull the which is sort of every 10 k or so to inspect.. and I don't ever attempt a re-gap on iridium. Here I would say its just from poor fuel quality and being not blown why you want to run corn...its best to cool Forced Induction engines as it sprays so much more fuel and cools the combustion process...……. which builds up excess heat FI..... straight from NGK https://www.onallcylinders.com/2012/...r-spark-plugs/ __________________ 2021 Wild Cherry ZL1 A10, Sunroof, Data, Carbon, Nav, RotoFab Dry CAI, Elite x2, Borla ATK, Driveshaft shop

11-26-2018, 04:03 PM	#5
xc_SS/RS Drives: 2010 Camaro SS/RS Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: somewhere in MD Posts: 4,883	After looking around online I’d say oil is getting into the combustion chamber and you might be experiencing higher than normal temperatures. Those threads look coated in oil man Edit- Fuel additives will also cause the ashy build up. Are those stock plugs? __________________ 2010 2SS/RS Z/28 intake, NW, FAST 102, speed engineering LT's, some exhaust, ATI -10% pulley, GM flex fuel injectors, DSX flex fuel sensor, MGW shifter, HP Tuners, some suspension work, stickers and a little weight loss. 12.63 @113.53 Last edited by xc_SS/RS; 11-26-2018 at 04:17 PM.

11-26-2018, 04:21 PM	#6
pnwdan Drives: 2014 2SS/RS Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Washington Posts: 848	I would say fuel additives. The threads look like they are coated with some sort of penetrating lube or oil causing the ends to discolor as the fluid runs onto them. That ash color is probably what the whole end looked like before the oil got on them. __________________ 2014 2SS/RS LS3/M6

11-25-2018, 07:42 PM	#2
fly2hip8 Drives: 2013 Camaro 2SS Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Kansas Posts: 342	Looks like ash deposits

11-26-2018, 10:16 PM	#7
marklsx Drives: 2014 Camaro 1SS Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: MA Posts: 103	That's a lot of oil. Did you seal the intake rocker bolts? Or maybe check the valve seals. __________________ 2014 1SS - BTR Stg3, GMPP CNC Heads, Kooks LTs & cats, Magnaflow 2.5" Street w/Res X, Z28 CAI

11-29-2018, 12:39 AM	#8
John_C LSx FTW!!! Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS RS Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: TN Posts: 767	It's been having some oil consumption issues after I had a friend do my Heads, Cam and all for me. He is a Nissan Engineer and has a shop with a lift behind his house. I'm sure he is competent, but might not know everything about the LS3 aka L99 engines. I did a Mishimoto catch can and it catches some oil, but not near as much as it consumes. I think it's eating about a qt every 3 or 4 weeks. I drive it hard and about 350 miles a week now since my beater car is down. It doesn't smoke at all, but you can smell a tiny tinge of oil in the exhaust (catless). Maybe he did forget to seal the rocker arm bolts. I'll ask him Friday. Valve seals are new and came on the TFS GenX 255 heads. I run them with the TSP VVT 3.2 cam kit and it came with polished PAC .660's with Ti retainers. As a side note... Had my other friend look at my logs, too. The car was running lean and had some knock retard. We've been adding fuel to the tune off my daily drive to work logs. It's running a lot stronger now. __________________ 2010 2SS RS A6 781rwhp on E85 Stage 2 ProCharger D1X Circle D 3400 Triple Disc Kooks Jet Hot Headers Kooks Full 3in exhaust Trick Flow GenX 255's Polished PAC .660's & Ti-retainers TSP VVT 3.2 cam kit w/DoD Delete Smith Bro's Trunnion kit AEM X-Series OBDII Widebands FIC ID1300x Injectors GM ZL1 High Output Fuel Pump DSX Tuning Flex Sensor DSX Auxiliary Fuel System Tim King Stage 4 Max Effort CTSV 6L90 DSS 1 piece aluminum driveshaft JRE 6L80E / 6L90E Dipstick NGK Iridium IX spark plugs #7 heat range Mighty Mouse Camaro 5 Wild w/-12an and Billet Black HP Tuners VCM Suite

11-29-2018, 08:32 AM	#9
xc_SS/RS Drives: 2010 Camaro SS/RS Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: somewhere in MD Posts: 4,883	I'd start with the above suggestion of sealing the rocker arm bolts and see what that gets you if it wasn't done. How long have you been working on this tune? I know you were on another forum or two working with some guys on it but don't remember when you made the posts. __________________ 2010 2SS/RS Z/28 intake, NW, FAST 102, speed engineering LT's, some exhaust, ATI -10% pulley, GM flex fuel injectors, DSX flex fuel sensor, MGW shifter, HP Tuners, some suspension work, stickers and a little weight loss. 12.63 @113.53

11-29-2018, 09:16 PM	#11
marklsx Drives: 2014 Camaro 1SS Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: MA Posts: 103	A quart every 1000 to 1200 miles is a lot. I don't drive my car hard but I do put on about 600 miles a week. No oil consumption issues. __________________ 2014 1SS - BTR Stg3, GMPP CNC Heads, Kooks LTs & cats, Magnaflow 2.5" Street w/Res X, Z28 CAI

11-29-2018, 10:08 PM	#12
RankSS Drives: 2010 Camaro SS Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Saskatoon SK Can. Eh Posts: 365	Valve guide seals improperly installed? Should not be using that much oil. Plugs are oil fouled. __________________ 2010 Camaro SS RS, Maggie with 3.4" pulley, 60# injectors, ADM dual fuel pumps, ADM Stage 2 Cam with Brian Tooley springs and pushrods, black CAI intake, Stainless Works long tube headers w/gutted cats, ZL1 Diff w/offset bushings, Pfadt lowering springs, Pfadt sway bars, Pfadt solid sub frame mounts, BMR trailing arms and toe rods, Hurst short throw shifter, Painted on Hugger Orange stripes, Forgestar F14 Piano Black wheels, Nitto NT05 rubber.

11-29-2018, 11:47 PM	#13
John_C LSx FTW!!! Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS RS Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: TN Posts: 767	I'm giving up on this car. Trans threw p0700 and p0716 codes tonight. It was the straw that broke the camels back so to speak. With the tuning problems, oil consumption issues that's had me chasing my tail, and the frustration it has caused me over the past yer of owning it, I'm putting it up for sale. If it doesn't sell, I'll trade it in. Fwiw... Everyone on my local forum knows the issues I've had so not selling it without disclosing the issues. $12k in mods and labor down the drain. Lesson learned! I'll just buy a factory hotrod with warranty next and leave it stock. ZL1 or ZO6 is next. __________________ 2010 2SS RS A6 781rwhp on E85 Stage 2 ProCharger D1X Circle D 3400 Triple Disc Kooks Jet Hot Headers Kooks Full 3in exhaust Trick Flow GenX 255's Polished PAC .660's & Ti-retainers TSP VVT 3.2 cam kit w/DoD Delete Smith Bro's Trunnion kit AEM X-Series OBDII Widebands FIC ID1300x Injectors GM ZL1 High Output Fuel Pump DSX Tuning Flex Sensor DSX Auxiliary Fuel System Tim King Stage 4 Max Effort CTSV 6L90 DSS 1 piece aluminum driveshaft JRE 6L80E / 6L90E Dipstick NGK Iridium IX spark plugs #7 heat range Mighty Mouse Camaro 5 Wild w/-12an and Billet Black HP Tuners VCM Suite