Do you think GM missed the ball my making the z/28 a track only car? - Page 31 - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

hognutz · 04-01-2013, 04:43 PM

I have no problem with the Z/28 but an LS7 option to a 1le would have sold more cars IMO.

LOWDOWN · 04-01-2013, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by hognutz

I have no problem with the Z/28 but an LS7 option to a 1le would have sold more cars IMO.

...and maybe...just MAYBE...that would have been a "problem"...

Mikamaro · 04-01-2013, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 87GNX

Sure it can be driven on the street, but with no amenities. I think they should have made this into a more streetable car. Drop in the ls7 and a few other goodies. The price could be in the 40's then.

NO.
Z/28 is the top of the crop track car, streatable.
Amenties are optional, they will be available to order.
You dont have the money? Buy and SS 1LE.

brt3 · 04-01-2013, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikamaro

NO.
Z/28 is the top of the crop track car, streatable.
Amenties are optional, they will be available to order.
You dont have the money? Buy and SS 1LE.

+1K

I understand folks might be frustrated because this new Camaro hotness is priced out of reach for some, but I second your thoughts. Chevy swung for the fences on this one. I am guessing a lot of the negative thinking about the Z/28 -- and I've never seen a car that has polarized people like this one has -- will evaporate once GM starts publishing track times. Once the magazines get their first examples, and Road & Track does a 3-way comparison test between the Z/28, the C63 AMG Black Series, and the 911 GT3.

This car is going to stun a lot of folks, and is going to offer huge performance per dollar on a road course. Can we recreate some of that on our own? Sure -- but I'm really looking forward to using the Z/28 as a starting point. It has everything I'm looking for in a track-day car. Wonder what Pfadt has in mind for the Z/28? The mind boggles...

Bad@ssCamaro · 04-02-2013, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by KSCamaro

Nope. I didn't bash anyone and how exactly am I being offensive?

You can browse through plenty of threads and see folks getting bashed for their opinions. I'm not calling anyone out. I'm talking about a car and you are the one making comments about me.

"...people patting each other on the back.." that happens all the time around here, I wasn't referring specifically to this thread, just in general.

You can express your opinion without getting personal, that's a choice.

Oh, and you're not guilty of that

and you make it sound as if it's a sin.

KSCamaro · 04-02-2013, 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Bad@ssCamaro

Oh, and you're not guilty of that

and you make it sound as if it's a sin.

No, not really. It just makes it look like you don't want to hear any opinion other than your own.

69 Yenko and COPO had 427s.
2014 model year, make one of those your 45th anniversary track car.
Call it the Yenko S, the COPO S, call it Sally for all I care.

Keep the Z28 as an option package against the Boss.
The problem with that scenario ? It was blown out of the water when the 1LE came off the drawing board. Instead the Z was turned into something it never was. The 1LE with more HP, body and paint changes is what I would have liked to see for the Z/28. It's just my opinion, and it shouldn't upset anyone because "Hey Jack, you go what you wanted."

No, I don't want a 1LE with a Z/28 badge on it, before anyone starts that again.
You could just as easily mod any Camaro into your track toy and slap a Z/28 badge on it if you want.
That argument goes both ways so I see that as null and void.

I'd consider that more in line with the heritage of the car.
[sarcasm back on]
You may now return to your previously scheduled bashing.

wadew2lt · 04-02-2013, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ToolFan66

They built the Z/28 just as it should be. If you add all the other crap then it's not a true Z/28..

If anything they left to much in it..

You have the ZL1 if you want the comfort and performance..

If you want the badge buy it and slap it on your car, it will be cheaper in the long run and just as fake if GM put in all the luxury crap..

I couldn't have said it better!
One only needs to read up on the history of the Z/28 to know that GM remained consistant with their build.
They did it RIGHT!

Bad@ssCamaro · 04-02-2013, 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by KSCamaro

No, not really. It just makes it look like you don't want to hear any opinion other than your own.

69 Yenko and COPO had 427s.
2014 model year, make one of those your 45th anniversary track car.
Call it the Yenko S, the COPO S, call it Sally for all I care.

Keep the Z28 as an option package against the Boss.
The problem with that scenario ? It was blown out of the water when the 1LE came off the drawing board. Instead the Z was turned into something it never was. The 1LE with more HP, body and paint changes is what I would have liked to see for the Z/28. It's just my opinion, and it shouldn't upset anyone because "Hey Jack, you go what you wanted."

No, I don't want a 1LE with a Z/28 badge on it, before anyone starts that again.
You could just as easily mod any Camaro into your track toy and slap a Z/28 badge on it if you want.
That argument goes both ways so I see that as null and void.

I'd consider that more in line with the heritage of the car.
[sarcasm back on]
You may now return to your previously scheduled bashing.

Do you have any plans of getting a Camaro? What are you looking for? Since in your Avatar you state you are still looking.

Bad@ssCamaro · 04-02-2013, 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by wadew2lt

I couldn't have said it better!
One only needs to read up on the history of the Z/28 to know that GM remained consistant with their build.
They did it RIGHT!

Careful! you could be construed as "patting someone on the back".

wadew2lt · 04-02-2013, 04:54 AM

OOOOPS!

SRT8Tech · 04-02-2013, 05:56 AM

Here is something to think about for the guys who think this new Z car is not like the "original"......

What was the original ZL1 built for and how does the new "ZL1" compare?? Just a thought.

Now, quit yer bitchin.....LOL

scnhra · 04-02-2013, 08:13 AM

While we all debate the issue Track no Track no one can debate that if there was a 427 version that was drivable as a daily driver it would sale and sale well. The Z06 is an awesome car and sales very well for Chevy. If there was a car that was priced lower with the same type of performance the it would be a great compromise for the masses. My guess is let the new wear off of the Z/28 and let Chevy see profits would be great if the car had some iminities and wala we will have maybe a SS/RS 427 badge.

racer50200 · 04-02-2013, 09:23 AM

A few observations.

First, is the real issue here not that GM built this amazing car, but that they named it a "Z/28"?? If this car had been named the "2014 SuperSS" or "1LE Track Master" or anything else, I'm guessing we would not have the issues that we seem to have now??

Second, when GM built the COPO last year, was there the same amount of complaining about it not having a rocking stereo, heated seats, navigation, etc? Or was it OK because it was true to the COPO name and its design was consistent with its intended use (yes I know it is not street legal but trying to make a point here! Equipped consistent with its intended use.. )?

Third, I agree with others that hopefully in the future GM will offer some sort of 'Z28 option package' for the SS that will include many of the Z/28 features (not sure it will include the LS7) that will be more consistent with what many here were expecting from the Z/28. I sure loved my '96 SS Z28 with all of the factory/SLE upgrades!!

Finally, can we just go back to beating on the Mustangs instead of our beloved Camaros??

This is getting a little old.....!!

Norm Peterson · 04-02-2013, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by 87GNX

Sure it can be driven on the street, but with no amenities. I think they should have made this into a more streetable car. Drop in the ls7 and a few other goodies. The price could be in the 40's then.

Respectfully disagree.

Given the optional A/C that I now need for reasons involving heat stress, I could easily live with this car on a daily basis.

When the 1LE came out, it was pitched as a car for the "2%-ers". And if you weren't more hardcore than the other 98% that car simply wasn't the right Camaro for you.

The Z/28 is something like a 10%-er car out of that 2% 1LE buyer group. So if you're not in that very top quarter percent group, this car isn't for you. You buy it for what it is, not for what it does not have. It's OK if this does not meet everybody's idea of "acceptable value".

Chances are if you aren't in that very small group, you can't really see things from that perspective. Kind of like what the Harley guys would say . . . if you have to ask . . .

Norm

04-01-2013, 04:43 PM	#421
hognutz Drives: 2013 ZL1 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: tangent or Posts: 2,984	I have no problem with the Z/28 but an LS7 option to a 1le would have sold more cars IMO. __________________ shopping for 2017+1le or zl1 2009 CTS-V -sold 2015 Hellcat-sold 2013 ZL1 -sold 2007 Z06- sold 2014 Chrysler 300 2011 Duramax 8" lift, deleted tuned

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04-02-2013, 05:56 AM	#431
SRT8Tech 2013 Super Bee Drives: 2013 Super Bee Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Jacksonville FL. Posts: 711	Here is something to think about for the guys who think this new Z car is not like the "original"...... What was the original ZL1 built for and how does the new "ZL1" compare?? Just a thought. Now, quit yer bitchin.....LOL __________________ 2007 Procharged SRT8 Charger..........SOLD 2010 Mopar 10 Challenger.................SOLD 2010 R/T Classic Challenger...............SOLD 2011 392 Challenger.........................SOLD 2012 mid 10 second 1/4 mile GT500.... SOLD Current ride *100% stock 2013 Plum SuperBee............best of 12.407 @ 114.28 for now.* Tune, CAI and Drag radials. Best of 12.00 @ 115.74

04-02-2013, 08:13 AM	#432
scnhra Drives: 2010 Camaro RS/SS White Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Pearland, Texas Posts: 232	While we all debate the issue Track no Track no one can debate that if there was a 427 version that was drivable as a daily driver it would sale and sale well. The Z06 is an awesome car and sales very well for Chevy. If there was a car that was priced lower with the same type of performance the it would be a great compromise for the masses. My guess is let the new wear off of the Z/28 and let Chevy see profits would be great if the car had some iminities and wala we will have maybe a SS/RS 427 badge. __________________ 2010 Summit White SS2/RS Delivered 08/31/09

04-02-2013, 09:23 AM	#433
racer50200 Drives: 2010 White 2SS/RS Camaro 6M Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Central Florida Posts: 125 View My Garage	A few observations. First, is the real issue here not that GM built this amazing car, but that they named it a "Z/28"?? If this car had been named the "2014 SuperSS" or "1LE Track Master" or anything else, I'm guessing we would not have the issues that we seem to have now?? Second, when GM built the COPO last year, was there the same amount of complaining about it not having a rocking stereo, heated seats, navigation, etc? Or was it OK because it was true to the COPO name and its design was consistent with its intended use (yes I know it is not street legal but trying to make a point here! Equipped consistent with its intended use.. )? Third, I agree with others that hopefully in the future GM will offer some sort of 'Z28 option package' for the SS that will include many of the Z/28 features (not sure it will include the LS7) that will be more consistent with what many here were expecting from the Z/28. I sure loved my '96 SS Z28 with all of the factory/SLE upgrades!! Finally, can we just go back to beating on the Mustangs instead of our beloved Camaros?? This is getting a little old.....!! __________________ Camaro Specs: 2010 2SS/RS SW, 6M, Eibach Spings / bars, 275's X 4, Heritage Grill, NLP spoiler, Becky's SW shark fin, AAC LED DRL's, Stainless Works Headers and exhaust, Barton Flat Stick Shifter, '69 SS emblems, ready for hp boost..... Help your country.... Buy American Products!!