Is the OLD GM thinking coming back? - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

bobby35ny · 06-16-2011, 09:40 AM

I have been reading so many articles lately where the Camaro is killing the Stang in sales which is GREAT of course!!

One thing that bothers me is, The OLD GM, despite being the sales leader would add a color or add stickers to a car to "keep it going".

Then I say to myself, where is the HP increase for 2012 SS?
No increase? Oh, they added the stickers to the 45th anny model.

I guess what I'm trying to say is............
GM dont rest because you have the sales lead. Make the product better. The Stang came out with the 5.0 you should have already answered for that and you didn't. Don't let the car go stale.

If you WAIT for sales to slip........... It's too late...

=Bobby

motorhead · 06-16-2011, 09:45 AM

You know they brought out the convertible this year, the ZL1 is coming out along with an upgraded interior for 2012. I think they're doing a good job in this department. The SS doesn't need a HP upgrade. I don't believe that HP is what's driving most of the sales here.

Ironheadspearo · 06-16-2011, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by motorhead

You know they brought out the convertible this year, the ZL1 is coming out along with an upgraded interior for 2012. I think they're doing a good job in this department. The SS doesn't need a HP upgrade. I don't believe that HP is what's driving most of the sales here.

Tysen · 06-16-2011, 09:51 AM

Agreed. HP isn't everything. I'd take a Camaro over a Corvette any day. Well, I would take a ZR1...but only to sell it and get two Camaros. The styling on these cars is what wins me over, and the power is just icing on the cake.

Hylton · 06-16-2011, 09:53 AM

At the lower management level, the old GM is there in spades. I have stated many times that it's time for a "cabinet shuffle".

HIOFECR · 06-16-2011, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Tysen

Agreed. HP isn't everything. I'd take a Camaro over a Corvette any day. Well, I would take a ZR1...but only to sell it and get two Camaros. The styling on these cars is what wins me over, and the power is just icing on the cake.

sasquash1984 · 06-16-2011, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Tysen

Agreed. HP isn't everything. I'd take a Camaro over a Corvette any day. Well, I would take a ZR1...but only to sell it and get two Camaros. The styling on these cars is what wins me over, and the power is just icing on the cake.

sprtplt · 06-16-2011, 09:59 AM

The "old" GM never left, they simply shafted the legitimate debt holders and shareholders, and pronounced do-over.

Camaroshark · 06-16-2011, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Ironheadspearo

If they follow Ford, they'd need to just change headlights and tail lights and call it a new model.

Camaroshark · 06-16-2011, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by sprtplt

The "old" GM never left, they simply shafted the legitimate debt holders and shareholders, and pronounced do-over.

You got that right... not to mention thwarting the rule of law.

cab2g · 06-16-2011, 11:02 AM

The Camaro SS is rated at 426 HP, the Mustang GT is rated at 412 HP. so on paper, the Camaro wins. However, I know it's heavier. But still the Camaro isn't "behind" It is a brand new model. I will give them some slack. They're still rolling out new models, and working out new model bugs that Ford hasn't had to deal with since '05. I DO wish that they hadn't canned ABM, they already had it, but they canned it. But that's ok, I have grown to love SW.

kbui · 06-16-2011, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Hylton

At the lower management level, the old GM is there in spades. I have stated many times that it's time for a "cabinet shuffle".

+1
As with any large organization, you never get real changes. Most of the time it's just reshuffle. I was at the Tech Center in '88 and '89, there were numerous "changes", i.e. people's name tags, positions, organization, offices were changed...but the people were the same and they do the same crap...

dmginc · 06-16-2011, 11:33 AM

they have sold a lot more LS/LT's then SS's so that is where they are going to put their effort right now. the V6 is getting an engine update, not more power, more efficient cause it will sell more cars.

pgviper · 06-16-2011, 11:43 AM

I have to agree with OP a bit on this. The 2008 corvette that used the LS3 has 430 hp and 424 tq as compared to the camaro LS3 with 426 hp and 420 tq. Also, the corvette is rated with 16/26 MPG whereas the camaro is rated at 16/24. Clearly there is some room for power and efficiency improvement. Making these slight changes in power and efficiency along with a body styling change and/or weight improvement would have been a nice small update from the original model released in 2010.

However, you can't get everything you want so I guess some new graphics for the 45th anniversary edition and interior updates are what we are stuck with lol.

06-16-2011, 09:40 AM	#1
bobby35ny Drives: 18 ZL1 A10 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: South East, FL Posts: 3,024	Is the OLD GM thinking coming back? I have been reading so many articles lately where the Camaro is killing the Stang in sales which is GREAT of course!! One thing that bothers me is, The OLD GM, despite being the sales leader would add a color or add stickers to a car to "keep it going". Then I say to myself, where is the HP increase for 2012 SS? No increase? Oh, they added the stickers to the 45th anny model. I guess what I'm trying to say is............ GM dont rest because you have the sales lead. Make the product better. The Stang came out with the 5.0 you should have already answered for that and you didn't. Don't let the car go stale. If you WAIT for sales to slip........... It's too late... =Bobby __________________ 2017 ZL1 M6 Bog City, 2013 ZL1 M6, 2010 2SS M6 ZL1::J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS

06-16-2011, 09:51 AM	#4
Tysen Drives: 2011 RJT 2SS/RS M6 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: TN Posts: 2,441 View My Garage	Agreed. HP isn't everything. I'd take a Camaro over a Corvette any day. Well, I would take a ZR1...but only to sell it and get two Camaros. The styling on these cars is what wins me over, and the power is just icing on the cake. __________________ "I'm a man who discovered the wheel, and built the Eiffel Tower out of metal and brawn! That's what kind of man I am." - Ron Burgundy My build thread

06-16-2011, 09:53 AM	#5
Hylton Drives: fanboys and ass kissers crazy. Join Date: May 2008 Location: Ottawa, Ontario Posts: 7,280	At the lower management level, the old GM is there in spades. I have stated many times that it's time for a "cabinet shuffle". __________________ "BBOMG - More than just a car show.... It's an experience!"

06-16-2011, 11:02 AM	#11
cab2g love. my. car. Drives: 2011 2SS/RS Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Chicago Posts: 3,372 View My Garage	The Camaro SS is rated at 426 HP, the Mustang GT is rated at 412 HP. so on paper, the Camaro wins. However, I know it's heavier. But still the Camaro isn't "behind" It is a brand new model. I will give them some slack. They're still rolling out new models, and working out new model bugs that Ford hasn't had to deal with since '05. I DO wish that they hadn't canned ABM, they already had it, but they canned it. But that's ok, I have grown to love SW. __________________

06-16-2011, 11:33 AM	#13
dmginc Drives: In Circles Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: South Carolina Posts: 3,433 View My Garage	they have sold a lot more LS/LT's then SS's so that is where they are going to put their effort right now. the V6 is getting an engine update, not more power, more efficient cause it will sell more cars. __________________ CAI Cold Air Intake, BMR Strut Tower Brace, BMR 1.2" Lowering Springs Gen5DIY Fog Lights, Big Worm Third Brake Light/Side Marker Tint (Charcoal) GTS Tail Light Covers, Purple Under Hood Lighting Magnaflow Resonated X-Pipe w/ Muffler Delete Black Plasti Dipped Wheels, Z/28 Spoiler

06-16-2011, 09:45 AM	#2
motorhead Drives: Love the one you're with Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Downtown Charlie Brown Posts: 11,850	You know they brought out the convertible this year, the ZL1 is coming out along with an upgraded interior for 2012. I think they're doing a good job in this department. The SS doesn't need a HP upgrade. I don't believe that HP is what's driving most of the sales here.

06-16-2011, 09:59 AM	#8
sprtplt Drives: Corvette Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: South Carolina Posts: 322	The "old" GM never left, they simply shafted the legitimate debt holders and shareholders, and pronounced do-over.

06-16-2011, 11:43 AM	#14
pgviper Drives: 67 Pro Touring Camaro Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 253	I have to agree with OP a bit on this. The 2008 corvette that used the LS3 has 430 hp and 424 tq as compared to the camaro LS3 with 426 hp and 420 tq. Also, the corvette is rated with 16/26 MPG whereas the camaro is rated at 16/24. Clearly there is some room for power and efficiency improvement. Making these slight changes in power and efficiency along with a body styling change and/or weight improvement would have been a nice small update from the original model released in 2010. However, you can't get everything you want so I guess some new graphics for the 45th anniversary edition and interior updates are what we are stuck with lol.

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