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byrds8 · 02-04-2020, 09:09 PM

I am thinking about adding long tube headers to my ride. I went by a local shop and was told they would not suggest it. They said I would not get much out of it in terms of HP or the loud tone I was looking for. They suggested doing a. LS3 conversion and said I would get more out of that. From reading here, that is only good for around 26HP. I am confused on why I am being told something that doesn’t seem to be the norm. It was also suggested I’d only see about 15hp from adding the LTH. What is you guys opinion on this? I’d hate to waste money on adding the headers if its not going to do anything. Current the exhaust is Solo Performance from the manifold back and the car was already tuned by Ted. Thanks in advance for your expert opinions.

pnwdan · 02-04-2020, 09:14 PM

Bottom line. Dont go to that shop anymore because they obviously dont know what they are talking about. You see the posts on here. This is all the answers you need.

MaverickLS7 · 02-04-2020, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by byrds8

I am thinking about adding long tube headers to my ride. I went by a local shop and was told they would not suggest it. They said I would not get much out of it in terms of HP or the loud tone I was looking for. They suggested doing a. LS3 conversion and said I would get more out of that. From reading here, that is only good for around 26HP. I am confused on why I am being told something that doesn’t seem to be the norm. It was also suggested I’d only see about 15hp from adding the LTH. What is you guys opinion on this? I’d hate to waste money on adding the headers if its not going to do anything. Current the exhaust is Solo Performance from the manifold back and the car was already tuned by Ted. Thanks in advance for your expert opinions.

Depends, header brand/build ie collector design how well it scavenges the exhaust as well as the primary length to one another, size, how much air you have coming in the engine, and flowing out the heads etc. Could be a decent increase in power or a little. Overall long tubes are a better design over manifolds, but only if the collectors are made properly.

Which shop was it? I'm in FL too.

Greenhornet2 · 02-04-2020, 10:01 PM

Sounds like your local shop doesn't know much about these cars. Intake exhaust and tune seem to be good for around 40hp. You don't have to do an ls3 conversion but getting rid of the afm lifters isnt a bad idea. If you go with a performance cam you're looking at another hp gain and will be in the mid 400s depending on the cam. 3.91 gears, higher stall and you're rippin pretty good.

Greenhornet2 · 02-04-2020, 10:02 PM

If you want it louder then you can cat delete

gunchamp · 02-04-2020, 10:24 PM

Long tubes make a pretty good difference along with a tune. Good for 30ish hp normally. Car will get louder, that is a fact. That shop shouldnt be trusted imo.

byrds8 · 02-05-2020, 04:20 AM

I was planning on getting the stainless power and having Ted re-tune the car. I was pretty shocked when the guy said that. Its completely opposite of everything I have ever heard, been told or read. Granted I know when you get LTs you get a tune also and the tune contributes to the HP gain. I already have the tune and have no clue how much HP comes only from the headers but I would have figured more than 10-15. The shop was Frankestein Motorsports.

1JEWLDSSRS · 02-05-2020, 06:33 AM

Find a different shop that knows what is going on with our Camaros !! I installed Stainless Power LT's back in 2012 and am a L99 car and put down 37 more rwhp over baseline on a Mustang Dyno !! Good luck and stay away from those guys !!!

byrds8 · 02-05-2020, 07:16 AM

Yeah I thought that sounded a bit off. Seemed like a really nice guy and they have tons of nice cars around they have built out. Once he said that though my gut started screaming this is wrong. I mean to say I wouldn't get but 15hp is bad but then to say it wouldn't get any louder seemed out there. What is the going rate for install on LTs? Two shops here have quoted 6-700.

Greenhornet2 · 02-05-2020, 07:39 AM

I bought speed engineering for $360. I did have to dimple the passenger side to clear the frame, some don't have to. Have them out to be coated for $300 currently. Texas speed has a budget friendly set as well. It's pretty easy job but if that is 6-700 installed that is pretty fair depending on what they are selling you.

byrds8 · 02-05-2020, 07:58 AM

The 6-700 is just labor. I would be providing the headers. I was looking at the Stainless Power from Ted because he would re-tune the car at no charge, getting them anywhere else will have the added cost of a re-tune. I may not coat them too since the labor was much higher than I really expected.

Greenhornet2 · 02-05-2020, 08:07 AM

That is really high. That is MAX a 3 hour job.... I just pulled mine off working on the on the ground in an hour. You shouldn't be paying more than a few hundred to have them installed in my opinion. Ted will provide the tune but you will still have to buy the handheld tuner if you don't already have one.
I would shop around more for the labor to install.

byrds8 · 02-05-2020, 08:54 AM

Already have the tuner. I purchased it from him and he tuned it the car for the things that are already on it. I thought it sounded high when I kept reading people here did it in 2.5 hours in their own garage. Seems like these guys should be able to do it quicker not slower. Im not paying for their chit chat time lol.

HOJO · 02-05-2020, 09:26 AM

Well the LS3 conversion will cost quite a bit more for starters. More then likely, depending on the cam you select you will need better exhaust flow to maximize the cams potential. So now your back to needing a set of headers. Not sure what they are thinking or trying to achieve.

02-04-2020, 09:09 PM	#1
byrds8 Drives: 2013 Camaro 2SS, L99 Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Florida Posts: 447 View My Garage	Need Advice I am thinking about adding long tube headers to my ride. I went by a local shop and was told they would not suggest it. They said I would not get much out of it in terms of HP or the loud tone I was looking for. They suggested doing a. LS3 conversion and said I would get more out of that. From reading here, that is only good for around 26HP. I am confused on why I am being told something that doesn’t seem to be the norm. It was also suggested I’d only see about 15hp from adding the LTH. What is you guys opinion on this? I’d hate to waste money on adding the headers if its not going to do anything. Current the exhaust is Solo Performance from the manifold back and the car was already tuned by Ted. Thanks in advance for your expert opinions. __________________ 2013 Camaro SS/RS, Stainless Power long tube headers with HF's, Air Raid CAI, Solo Mach XL cat back, BC Racing coil overs, Elite Engineering catch can, Ferrada Forge 8 Wheels, Windows tinted at 20%, Tuned by Dyno Steve.

02-04-2020, 09:14 PM	#2
pnwdan Drives: 2014 2SS/RS Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Washington Posts: 848	Bottom line. Dont go to that shop anymore because they obviously dont know what they are talking about. You see the posts on here. This is all the answers you need. __________________ 2014 2SS/RS LS3/M6

02-04-2020, 10:01 PM	#4
Greenhornet2 Drives: 2011 Camaro 2SS LS3 Whipple Join Date: May 2019 Location: Connecticut Posts: 1,925	Sounds like your local shop doesn't know much about these cars. Intake exhaust and tune seem to be good for around 40hp. You don't have to do an ls3 conversion but getting rid of the afm lifters isnt a bad idea. If you go with a performance cam you're looking at another hp gain and will be in the mid 400s depending on the cam. 3.91 gears, higher stall and you're rippin pretty good. __________________ Whipple 2.9 CAI ID1050x injectors ZL1 Pump JRE FPCM JMS Voltage booster JRE Rough Idle blower cam BTR .660 springs CHE trunnion kit 1 7/8 Speed Engineering Borla Atak JRE scoop 1.5" lowering springs BMR trailing arms and toe links Cradle inserts 704WHP 603WTQ 93 octane

02-04-2020, 10:02 PM	#5
Greenhornet2 Drives: 2011 Camaro 2SS LS3 Whipple Join Date: May 2019 Location: Connecticut Posts: 1,925	If you want it louder then you can cat delete __________________ Whipple 2.9 CAI ID1050x injectors ZL1 Pump JRE FPCM JMS Voltage booster JRE Rough Idle blower cam BTR .660 springs CHE trunnion kit 1 7/8 Speed Engineering Borla Atak JRE scoop 1.5" lowering springs BMR trailing arms and toe links Cradle inserts 704WHP 603WTQ 93 octane

02-05-2020, 04:20 AM	#7
byrds8 Drives: 2013 Camaro 2SS, L99 Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Florida Posts: 447 View My Garage	I was planning on getting the stainless power and having Ted re-tune the car. I was pretty shocked when the guy said that. Its completely opposite of everything I have ever heard, been told or read. Granted I know when you get LTs you get a tune also and the tune contributes to the HP gain. I already have the tune and have no clue how much HP comes only from the headers but I would have figured more than 10-15. The shop was Frankestein Motorsports. __________________ 2013 Camaro SS/RS, Stainless Power long tube headers with HF's, Air Raid CAI, Solo Mach XL cat back, BC Racing coil overs, Elite Engineering catch can, Ferrada Forge 8 Wheels, Windows tinted at 20%, Tuned by Dyno Steve.

02-04-2020, 10:24 PM	#6
gunchamp Drives: 15 Camaro SS Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: Mountains of central PA Posts: 1,442	Long tubes make a pretty good difference along with a tune. Good for 30ish hp normally. Car will get louder, that is a fact. That shop shouldnt be trusted imo.

02-05-2020, 06:33 AM	#8
1JEWLDSSRS Drives: 2011 SS-RS Join Date: May 2011 Location: FLORIDA Posts: 11,435	Find a different shop that knows what is going on with our Camaros !! I installed Stainless Power LT's back in 2012 and am a L99 car and put down 37 more rwhp over baseline on a Mustang Dyno !! Good luck and stay away from those guys !!! __________________ TSP STAGE 3 CAM,231/246 @112 LSA 614/641 LIFT, CIRCLE D 5C-4200-4500 CONVERTER,LOD INTAKE.CORSA EXHAUST. DSS 1 PC DS. PEGASUS SOLID CRADLE MOUNTS. 486RWHP/475RWTQ.LOTS MORE.

02-05-2020, 07:16 AM	#9
byrds8 Drives: 2013 Camaro 2SS, L99 Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Florida Posts: 447 View My Garage	Yeah I thought that sounded a bit off. Seemed like a really nice guy and they have tons of nice cars around they have built out. Once he said that though my gut started screaming this is wrong. I mean to say I wouldn't get but 15hp is bad but then to say it wouldn't get any louder seemed out there. What is the going rate for install on LTs? Two shops here have quoted 6-700. __________________ 2013 Camaro SS/RS, Stainless Power long tube headers with HF's, Air Raid CAI, Solo Mach XL cat back, BC Racing coil overs, Elite Engineering catch can, Ferrada Forge 8 Wheels, Windows tinted at 20%, Tuned by Dyno Steve.

02-05-2020, 07:39 AM	#10
Greenhornet2 Drives: 2011 Camaro 2SS LS3 Whipple Join Date: May 2019 Location: Connecticut Posts: 1,925	I bought speed engineering for $360. I did have to dimple the passenger side to clear the frame, some don't have to. Have them out to be coated for $300 currently. Texas speed has a budget friendly set as well. It's pretty easy job but if that is 6-700 installed that is pretty fair depending on what they are selling you. __________________ Whipple 2.9 CAI ID1050x injectors ZL1 Pump JRE FPCM JMS Voltage booster JRE Rough Idle blower cam BTR .660 springs CHE trunnion kit 1 7/8 Speed Engineering Borla Atak JRE scoop 1.5" lowering springs BMR trailing arms and toe links Cradle inserts 704WHP 603WTQ 93 octane

02-05-2020, 07:58 AM	#11
byrds8 Drives: 2013 Camaro 2SS, L99 Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Florida Posts: 447 View My Garage	The 6-700 is just labor. I would be providing the headers. I was looking at the Stainless Power from Ted because he would re-tune the car at no charge, getting them anywhere else will have the added cost of a re-tune. I may not coat them too since the labor was much higher than I really expected. __________________ 2013 Camaro SS/RS, Stainless Power long tube headers with HF's, Air Raid CAI, Solo Mach XL cat back, BC Racing coil overs, Elite Engineering catch can, Ferrada Forge 8 Wheels, Windows tinted at 20%, Tuned by Dyno Steve.

02-05-2020, 08:07 AM	#12
Greenhornet2 Drives: 2011 Camaro 2SS LS3 Whipple Join Date: May 2019 Location: Connecticut Posts: 1,925	That is really high. That is MAX a 3 hour job.... I just pulled mine off working on the on the ground in an hour. You shouldn't be paying more than a few hundred to have them installed in my opinion. Ted will provide the tune but you will still have to buy the handheld tuner if you don't already have one. I would shop around more for the labor to install. __________________ Whipple 2.9 CAI ID1050x injectors ZL1 Pump JRE FPCM JMS Voltage booster JRE Rough Idle blower cam BTR .660 springs CHE trunnion kit 1 7/8 Speed Engineering Borla Atak JRE scoop 1.5" lowering springs BMR trailing arms and toe links Cradle inserts 704WHP 603WTQ 93 octane Last edited by Greenhornet2; 02-05-2020 at 09:48 AM.

02-05-2020, 08:54 AM	#13
byrds8 Drives: 2013 Camaro 2SS, L99 Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Florida Posts: 447 View My Garage	Already have the tuner. I purchased it from him and he tuned it the car for the things that are already on it. I thought it sounded high when I kept reading people here did it in 2.5 hours in their own garage. Seems like these guys should be able to do it quicker not slower. Im not paying for their chit chat time lol. __________________ 2013 Camaro SS/RS, Stainless Power long tube headers with HF's, Air Raid CAI, Solo Mach XL cat back, BC Racing coil overs, Elite Engineering catch can, Ferrada Forge 8 Wheels, Windows tinted at 20%, Tuned by Dyno Steve.

02-05-2020, 09:26 AM	#14
HOJO Drives: 2014 Camaro SS/RS 1LE 1967 Camaro Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Fort Wayne, IN Posts: 874	Well the LS3 conversion will cost quite a bit more for starters. More then likely, depending on the cam you select you will need better exhaust flow to maximize the cams potential. So now your back to needing a set of headers. Not sure what they are thinking or trying to achieve.