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Qwerty2 · 09-04-2009, 04:55 PM

I'm not sure if I like having the Hydraulic Clutch...It's much to soft and springy for me! And shifting into first gear is always jerky (for me and my family at least) unlike on the other clutches. Is there any way to change this??

jpsuperman81 · 09-04-2009, 04:57 PM

First time i drove mine which was drive home from dealer, i HATED it. it grows on you quickly, my foot and leg learned it very quickly. I don't mind it now. Some people are taking a spring right below the peddle out and said its better, one person mentioned don't remove the spring but several people have done it. Practice Pratice Pratice, I would say the more i drive the more comfortable I get. First day was bad but never stalled it, almost 700 miles later feels like i been driving it forever.

Qwerty2 · 09-04-2009, 05:00 PM

Hmm, can you supply a link to that page about the spring? And I'm only at like 200 miles so it will probably get smoother.

jpsuperman81 · 09-04-2009, 05:08 PM

I can't find it if i do I will post it.

canadian ss · 09-04-2009, 05:15 PM

yea, the clutch grabs too hard or the pedal travel doesn't feel right? It seems that it grabs in a spot that almost stalls the car out and gives you a jerky launch sometimes, especially on hills at a light.
I'm a GM tech and have never felt this type of clutch. I think it travels too far before engaging. On a hill it seems like the car rolls back alot before the clutch starts to grab.(scary). I hate to ride the clutch anytime, but this car is hard to get use to. I'm not a newb to stick so its not that.

Dan3 · 09-04-2009, 05:50 PM

The clutch does grab hard. It's not an issue, just how its built, but I blame the spring.

The spring in question is located on the clutch pedal, up under the dash. If you look under there with a flashlight you can't miss it. Use a screwdriver to pry each side out of its hole and the spring comes right out. Removing it makes the clutch a lot smoother and takes a lot of the springiness out of it. It felt to me like the spring pulled hard right about the same location as the clutch engages, which made the clutch even grabbier. If you have issues with the clutch, I suggest taking the spring out. If you dont like the change, the spring pops right back in, no problem. I have yet to see anyone post anything saying this hurts the car, and being that it's hydraulic I don't see how it could hurt.

BlkWolf · 09-04-2009, 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by canadian ss

yea, the clutch grabs too hard or the pedal travel doesn't feel right? It seems that it grabs in a spot that almost stalls the car out and gives you a jerky launch sometimes, especially on hills at a light.
I'm a GM tech and have never felt this type of clutch. I think it travels too far before engaging. On a hill it seems like the car rolls back alot before the clutch starts to grab.(scary). I hate to ride the clutch anytime, but this car is hard to get use to. I'm not a newb to stick so its not that.

+1!!!!

I thought it was just me when I test drove it.

I wish it engauged earlier too. There's to much travel for my liking before the clutch enguages.

Is there any adjustment to change this or will removing the spring improve this?

Thanks

SlingShot · 09-04-2009, 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlkWolf

+1!!!!

I thought it was just me when I test drove it.

I wish it engauged earlier too. There's to much travel for my liking before the clutch enguages.

Is there any adjustment to change this or will removing the spring improve this?

Thanks

I've owned several cars and trucks with wet clutches. The pedal spring should stay in place, that is a return spring. Normally there is two cylinders on the system. There should be the master, under the hood by the brake. Then there should be a slave on the trans itself. On the ones I've driven there was an adjustment screw to change the slave travel, so you can make changes to engage point.

Bbrock25 · 09-04-2009, 06:35 PM

I love how far you have to let out, doesn't bother me at all. But where the clutch engages is also where the clutch wants to push your foot on out. I took the spring out of mine, I can tell a noticeable difference in it, it won't push your foot out as hard, but you can still tell its there.

Link to the post for Clutch Spring Removal. Post #17
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...spring+removal

levi1922 · 09-04-2009, 07:15 PM

dont most new cars have hydraulic clutches?
i have driven a few, and they are definitely different at first

Qwerty2 · 09-04-2009, 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bbrock25

Link to the post for Clutch Spring Removal. Post #17
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...spring+removal

Thanks for the link, I'm going to try it out. Could removing the spring hurt the car?

And yes levi, most new cars do have the hydraulic clutch. But I feel like the Camaro's is to grabby, even for a hydraulic clutch.

rodimus prime · 09-04-2009, 07:25 PM

On this trans the slave is the throwout bearing. There is a bleeder on it, but Im not really sure you can adjust it. Just to get the air out of it. I belive you can adjust the clutch with a shim kit, but from the factory it shouldnt really need that.

Sstac · 09-04-2009, 07:29 PM

Is this the same clutch spring that is in the 2003 vette?

Vespula2012 · 05-17-2012, 06:50 AM

I'm also having a difficult time getting used to this clutch! I just traded in my 2008 Mustang GT for a 2010 Camaro SS, but this clutch is killing me!

Its like the clutch pedal has 7 inches of overall travel but is fully engaged in only 1 inch of it, and just as others have said, that 1 inch of engagement happens right when the spring is pushing hardest against your foot.

I'm finding it very difficult to make a smooth start and even shift smoothly between gears sometimes. Its especially bad when you're on a hill or caught of guard when the light changes and you have to react quickly.

The pedal moves exactly like a compound bow... harder to push for the first half of the travel, then suddenly easy as can be (though none of the travel is actually hard... just relatively speaking). But the worst part is, that 1 inch of engagement travel occurs EXACTLY at the transition point.

If you want to get a good sense of it, go to any Walmart or sporting goods place and ask to see a compound bow. Then see if you can smoothly move it back and forth throughout its draw... see that sudden snap in the middle? That's exactly what its like.

I see some mentioning the spring removal and I'm sorely tempted to try this. Others have said its the return spring (which logically makes sense to me) but if that's true and the spring were removed, what would make the pedal travel back upward? Is it just counter pressure in the hydraulic system at that point or are you relying on the pressure plate or...?

Maybe someone can make an aftermarket piece to widen the range of engagement and remove that especially springy spot in the center? (please please please)...

09-04-2009, 05:00 PM	#3
Qwerty2 Drives: Black 2010 Camaro Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Detriot Posts: 4	Hmm, can you supply a link to that page about the spring? And I'm only at like 200 miles so it will probably get smoother. Last edited by Qwerty2; 09-04-2009 at 07:25 PM.

09-04-2009, 05:50 PM	#6
Dan3 Captain of the Failboat Drives: 2010 IBM Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: USAF Seymour Johnson- Goldsboro, NC Posts: 405	The clutch does grab hard. It's not an issue, just how its built, but I blame the spring. The spring in question is located on the clutch pedal, up under the dash. If you look under there with a flashlight you can't miss it. Use a screwdriver to pry each side out of its hole and the spring comes right out. Removing it makes the clutch a lot smoother and takes a lot of the springiness out of it. It felt to me like the spring pulled hard right about the same location as the clutch engages, which made the clutch even grabbier. If you have issues with the clutch, I suggest taking the spring out. If you dont like the change, the spring pops right back in, no problem. I have yet to see anyone post anything saying this hurts the car, and being that it's hydraulic I don't see how it could hurt. __________________ 2010 Camaro 2SS - Imperial Blue w/Black Leather Interior Ordered - 22 June 2009 Produced - 10 August 2009 : #34143 Delivered - 25 August 2009

09-04-2009, 07:15 PM	#10
levi1922 Drives: 2LT RS CGM Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 1,378	dont most new cars have hydraulic clutches? i have driven a few, and they are definitely different at first __________________

09-04-2009, 07:29 PM	#13
Sstac Drives: 2010 2SS/RS Camaro Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: NJ Posts: 313	Is this the same clutch spring that is in the 2003 vette? __________________ Current: 2010 Camaro CGM 2SS RS Manual Past: '99 camaro, '01 Z28, '03 vette '08 BMW 535i 1100, Preliminary order accepted 08-06-09 2000, Accepted By GM 09-1-09 3000, Order accepted by production control 09-1-09 TPW 09-21-09 3300, Order scheduled for production 09/11/09 3400, Order broadcast 09-12-09 3800, Order produced 09-22-09 4000, Available to ship 09-23-09 4200, Shipped 09-24-09 5000, Delivered to the dealer 10/12/09 * Picked up 10/12/09

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09-04-2009, 04:55 PM	#1
Qwerty2 Drives: Black 2010 Camaro Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Detriot Posts: 4	Hydraulic clutch I'm not sure if I like having the Hydraulic Clutch...It's much to soft and springy for me! And shifting into first gear is always jerky (for me and my family at least) unlike on the other clutches. Is there any way to change this??

09-04-2009, 04:57 PM	#2
jpsuperman81 Yep I'm back! Drives: 2017 Krypton Green 1SS 1LE Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Indian Trail, NC Posts: 2,565 View My Garage	First time i drove mine which was drive home from dealer, i HATED it. it grows on you quickly, my foot and leg learned it very quickly. I don't mind it now. Some people are taking a spring right below the peddle out and said its better, one person mentioned don't remove the spring but several people have done it. Practice Pratice Pratice, I would say the more i drive the more comfortable I get. First day was bad but never stalled it, almost 700 miles later feels like i been driving it forever.

09-04-2009, 05:08 PM	#4
jpsuperman81 Yep I'm back! Drives: 2017 Krypton Green 1SS 1LE Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Indian Trail, NC Posts: 2,565 View My Garage	I can't find it if i do I will post it.

09-04-2009, 05:15 PM	#5
canadian ss Psycho on day pass Drives: 2010 yellow 1ss m6 -GM tech Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: grimsby, ont. Posts: 487 View My Garage	yea, the clutch grabs too hard or the pedal travel doesn't feel right? It seems that it grabs in a spot that almost stalls the car out and gives you a jerky launch sometimes, especially on hills at a light. I'm a GM tech and have never felt this type of clutch. I think it travels too far before engaging. On a hill it seems like the car rolls back alot before the clutch starts to grab.(scary). I hate to ride the clutch anytime, but this car is hard to get use to. I'm not a newb to stick so its not that.

09-04-2009, 06:35 PM	#9
Bbrock25 Drives: 2010 1SS/RS Inferno Orange Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: East Ky Posts: 704	I love how far you have to let out, doesn't bother me at all. But where the clutch engages is also where the clutch wants to push your foot on out. I took the spring out of mine, I can tell a noticeable difference in it, it won't push your foot out as hard, but you can still tell its there. Link to the post for Clutch Spring Removal. Post #17 http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...spring+removal

09-04-2009, 07:25 PM	#12
rodimus prime Account Suspended Drives: Cargo van. Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Metal Metal Land Posts: 1,247	On this trans the slave is the throwout bearing. There is a bleeder on it, but Im not really sure you can adjust it. Just to get the air out of it. I belive you can adjust the clutch with a shim kit, but from the factory it shouldnt really need that.

05-17-2012, 06:50 AM	#14
Vespula2012 Drives: 2012 Camaro RS/SS LS3 Join Date: May 2012 Location: North Carolina Posts: 105 View My Garage	I'm also having a difficult time getting used to this clutch! I just traded in my 2008 Mustang GT for a 2010 Camaro SS, but this clutch is killing me! Its like the clutch pedal has 7 inches of overall travel but is fully engaged in only 1 inch of it, and just as others have said, that 1 inch of engagement happens right when the spring is pushing hardest against your foot. I'm finding it very difficult to make a smooth start and even shift smoothly between gears sometimes. Its especially bad when you're on a hill or caught of guard when the light changes and you have to react quickly. The pedal moves exactly like a compound bow... harder to push for the first half of the travel, then suddenly easy as can be (though none of the travel is actually hard... just relatively speaking). But the worst part is, that 1 inch of engagement travel occurs EXACTLY at the transition point. If you want to get a good sense of it, go to any Walmart or sporting goods place and ask to see a compound bow. Then see if you can smoothly move it back and forth throughout its draw... see that sudden snap in the middle? That's exactly what its like. I see some mentioning the spring removal and I'm sorely tempted to try this. Others have said its the return spring (which logically makes sense to me) but if that's true and the spring were removed, what would make the pedal travel back upward? Is it just counter pressure in the hydraulic system at that point or are you relying on the pressure plate or...? Maybe someone can make an aftermarket piece to widen the range of engagement and remove that especially springy spot in the center? (please please please)...