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I'm sure the Caddy will use the higher grade metals more than the Camaro, but I doubt we're talking more weight than a cute petite chick in the passenger seat would add. Reuss really towered over the ATS, it's definitely a small platform.
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I haven't compared them but I'm guessing M3-ish size
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ATS Dimensions (BMW M3 in red) Exterior Wheelbase (in / mm): 109.3 / 2775 108.7 Length (in / mm): 182.8 / 4643 181.8 Height (in / mm): 55.9 / 1421 55.6 Width (in / mm): 71.1 / 1805 71.5 Track (in / mm): front: 59.5 / 1512 60.5 rear: 60.9 / 1548 60.5 Curb weight (lb / kg): less than 3,400 / 1,542 (approx.) 3704 Weight distribution (% front / rear): 51 / 49 same
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I'd love to see how far along into the design they are... gotta be some clay models by now
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I don't think there is much weight to be saved by removing premium content from the ATS when the 6th gen Camaro is made. Why? Well, the much larger CTS shares most of its mechanical bits with the Camaro. But both the V6s and the supercharged V8s tend to be around 100 lbs different, in cars that are very different in size and interior appointments.
And whatever weight might be lost by reducing content can easily be made up again by going with cheaper (and therefore heavier) materials in the Chevrolet. I'd expect that an ATS & a Camaro, with similar powertrain options, will be within about 50 lbs of each other. Quote:
I doubt GM would offer an all-out stripper as a Z28. They might, and I'd respect the decision if they did, but for marketability I'd put my money on a much more conventional approach. Even less likely is a 4 cylinder Z28 in the next generation (for the 8th or 9th gen ... who knows). So I'm thinking (as you probably are too) that the chances for a 3400 lb Z28 are slim to nill Quote:
Can't even guess on the size of the next gen Camaro from this. Currently, the Camaro rides on a platform that also has sedans with 6" more wheel base & 14" more overall length. So GM builds quite a bit of flexability into their platforms when it comes to size. Will the 6th gen be close to the ATS in size? Probably. But it could easily more or less stay the same size as the current car, but just get about 200 lbs lighter.
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Again I'm sayin' 200lbs max savings.
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Alpha is V8 capable. The ATS-V will have either a TTV6 or a V8 in it. The decision has been made, we just don't know which. Original reports suggested the V8.
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Just need to make sure they design the Camaro engine bay similar, no matter what engine they use.
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