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1. 2010 Car tested with heads and cam N/A, ALL STOCK EXH SYS - it made 450 rwhp 2. 2010 Car tested with heads and cam N/A, STOCK MANIFOLDS off heads going into hand built 2.5” (manifold back) SYS - it made 472 rwhp (so 22hp) 3. 2010 Car tested with heads and cam N/A, STOCK MANIFOLDS off heads going into hand built 3.0” (manifold back) SYS - it made 476 rwhp (so 26hp) 4. 2010 Car tested with heads and cam N/A, ARH Headers into all 3” SYS - it made 479 rwhp (so 29hp) It should be noted before each final number was reached and reported a custom tune was performed. What the test showed was 1 ¾ headers and all 3” system were basically worth only 7hp over just getting rid of the cats from a stone stock 2.5” car. The same “type” test was performance on a stock engine like a year ago where no “tuning was allowed”, just bolt it on and test. In that case the numbers were even more lopsided in favor of not needing headers as they showed very little gain over just opening up the restriction of the stock cats. Quote:
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There is a great thread that addressed just that. I will attach it below. Respectfully, I think you are misapplying the phyics of what, where and how “parasitic losses” are measured. The term parasitic loss is often applied to devices that take energy from the engine in order to enhance the engine's ability to create more energy. In an internal combustion engine for example, almost everything, including the driveshaft, causes a parasitic loss. Any bearings, the oil pump, piston rings, valve springs, the weight of the flywheels, what transmission you run, heck anything in the drive line, eveb the differential will rob the system of power. Look at it like this, an oil pump, being used to lubricate the engine, is a necessary parasite (parasitic loss) that consumes power from the engine (its host). More direct and specific to your questioning is a centrifugal or roots type supercharger, which gets its ability to make power from the engine (the host) but creates more power for the engine as a trade off. The power that the supercharger consumes is parasitic loss and is usually expressed in horsepower (HP) or (RWHP). While the HP that the supercharger consumes in comparison to what it generates is a small trade off for the end result, it is still measurable or calculable. That leads us back to the Turbo. One of the desirable features of a turbocharger over a supercharger is the lower parasitic loss of the supercharger. Here is teh post from last year I was quoting Quote:
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Note the differences from your car last year - in their booth to this car in the front of the show. I like how they made the coolant and red over flow tanks |
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01-09-2011, 11:46 AM | #171 |
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Since I started this thread and this thread is very specifically about the Turbonetics kit I'm wondering why Granettelli feels its good form to try hijacking my thread for their obvious purposes. Mr. Granatelli I would politely ask you to remove your marketing posts from the thread I started and if you are solely focused on marketing your own kit start your own thread to do so. If I wanted to discuss your turbo kit (which is worthless for me here in California where it isn't legal) I would have started a thread about your kit.
I'm also quite surprised to see such a brash hijack attempt by a forum sponsor. It seems quite disrespectful of you to not only attempt to take the spotlight in a thread that have nothing to do with you, but essentially bash Turbonetics for their kit design in a thread specifically about them. If I had any interest in any of your other parts before I certainly don't anymore. I've reported your postings to the Moderators. Last edited by MIAPLAYA; 01-09-2011 at 12:03 PM. |
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I think your getting alittle carried away.......although I agree that Granettelli is pushing the limits(of high jacking) but not done so IMO, he has just answered some questions and posted some pics.
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We'll let the mods decide I suppose but I don't see how pictures and information about the Granatelli kit are relevant in a Turbonetics kit thread.
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I agree with the pics of their kit are not really relevant.
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It might be thread jacking, but, I for one am glad to have relevant information like is being provided. I for one would not want to purchase a Forced induction with so much potential for problems. If someone in the business that knows what to look for wants to pipe in information that is valuable to potential customers, then I'm for it. JMO... Thank You for starting the thread though, information is the key to any modifications and the use of our hard earned money...
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Sorry you feel the way you do. Our kit is legal, not sure why people keep under understanding the C.A.R.B As for thier kit design - Turbonetics themselves will be the first to admit the short coming of their design - all in an attempt to be able to sell a shippable 50 state legal kit. In fact if married to a single turbo is your requirement we sell and install their Gen 5 kits. |
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Oh yea keep forgetting their car was outside and not in their booth. Yea the pipe now is a bit further from the AC unit. But it it is still a lil close, but no problems with it. |
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I sincerely was not trying to thread jack - just add insight - i changed the posts as requested
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I didn't think you were, I saw where you were asked about your kit. Thats why I said you were inside the limit IMO. Plus I am putting your kit on my car soon..LOL
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