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All you're proving is that Ford attempted to make a track only Mustang. And then Chevy made a non-track specific Camaro that was able to do everything well while beating the Shelby at what it was built to do. And with more options for less money. |
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I remember a couple years ago when you could've gotten a brand new 5th gen Z28 for like $45k. Talk about desirability lol
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11-26-2018, 03:31 PM | #2705 |
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newmoon is pretty much correct regarding the 13-14 GT500. It was more of a "jack of all trades" car similar to the 12-15 ZL1. That GT500 had an optional performance package that consisted of an upgraded suspension that was similar to the ZL1 in overall objective. In addition there was an optional track package that consisted of engine oil, transmission and differential coolers. Whats interesting is the ZL1 had most/all of this stuff standard whereas one had to add these packages to the GT500 to make it competitive on a road course. I guess this was Fords way of having a more competitive base price.
My opinion of the new upcoming GT500 is as follows: It will be another "jack of all trades" car. It will never be as much of a raw, light weight feeling, nimble drivers car the GT350R is. If it posts average lap times surpassing the ZL1 and GT350R it will be partially due to that more powerful engine. I feel the objective handling portion of the car will at best match the current ZL1. It will not match the ZL1 1LE in objective handling. |
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Back then you couldn't even get a 2SS/RS for $45K brand new. In fact that was one of the reasons why people flocked to the GT. Because the Camaros were much more expensive. Nobody was selling brand new Z28s for less than MSRP unless there was a rebate. Quote:
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11-26-2018, 03:57 PM | #2708 | |
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On another note, I can't wait to see the implosion when the GT guys who can't afford the GT500 start talking shit about how their $31K GT with a used blower is faster than a stock Shelby, lol!! Or how their stock GT with "minor bolt-ons" runs 9s and is faster than the GT500. |
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And Blaq we have had this conversation many times before. The 350R was made to beat the 5th gen Z/28. Was it a short sighted goal by Ford to target a model on its way out, sure was. And the 350R and 350 probably should have been discontinued after 17 model year. But the 350R was made to beat the Z/28 and it did it, while offering more options for less moneys. And then the 6th gen ZL1 came out and ate the 350R's lunch. But as far as I am concerned Ford accomplished their goal (as short sighted as it was) they just let the car live to long. And that doesn't take anything away from the ZL1. ZL1 has set the bar extremely high. Probably why the GT500 has been delayed so much. So yeah it has a lot to live up to. Hopefully we see something soon |
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My buddy almost bought one for $52k but wound up waiting for a Cayman GT4. I actually like the Z28 but I think they should've done what Ford did with the 350 and made a less extreme version for people who aren't serious about the track (no ceramics, no Trofeo Rs etc). Imagine a 5th gen SS 1LE with an LS7 for like $50-55k |
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You mean the ZL1. That is the less extreme version. If people don't want an extreme track car, then they can buy the ZL1. Just like how we have the ZL1 and ZL1 1LE.
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I agree I like 5th Gen 14/15 models much better, the Z28 while slower is probably a better track car than the ZL1. The lack of sales due to the ridiculous pricing probably killed the N/A track package for the 6th Gen Z28, and they filled the gap with the ZL1, which with its present large hp/tq advantage keeps it on top. I think most in this forum would welcome another version of the Z28 in a NA form similar to what the GT350 is as not everyone is a fan of forced induction instead of a ZL1-1LE package. The problem is with the ZL1 sporting 650/650 for power, a Z28 would have to be one hell of a N/A build to take the lead back.
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The biggest question for the GT500 is where do they focus it's performance?
The 13/14 Trinity was top HP for all domestics, at that point in time. No one else came close aside from a very expensive ZR1 which, while faster, is apples to oranges and still less HP. Fast forward to Demons, Hellcat Redeye's and ZLEs... Ford is in one hell of a tough spot IMO. I think it's safe to assume they will have a hard time matching any Demon/Redeye acceleration. I also think it's safe to say the S550 chassis doesn't have handling numbers within ZL1 range, never mind ZLE spec. So where do they slot this car? Slightly faster than a ZL1, but similar handling or slightly less (I will be pleasantly surprised to see a GT500 handle like a base ZL1, even with a track pack). Or try to compete with Mopar on acceleration and sacrifice some handling making the ZL1/ZLE gap that much more pronounced. I really hope it's a successful car either way. Tough competition makes for better cars from all manufacturer's...maybe it will push the Camaro team to an LT5 Camaro.
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