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tredye · 12-09-2019, 03:41 PM

Can a pedal commander really shave 1 sec off your 0-60 time?

acammer · 12-09-2019, 04:33 PM

No - it adds ZERO power, it just changes response.

SSEssence · 12-09-2019, 05:20 PM

Nope it will improve throttle response but won't shave off any time.

'10CamaroDude · 12-09-2019, 06:38 PM

All they do is push the throttle forward father than where your pedal is.
So, you can do it with your foot, with a learning curve, or pay hundreds of
dollars for a device to do it for you. They're a total waste of money for what
they do.

Basically, it's a throttle advance. You pedal down to 15%, it sends the
throttle to 25%. That's basically it, you can learn do do that yourself.

0stones0 · 03-26-2020, 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by '10CamaroDude

All they do is push the throttle forward father than where your pedal is.
So, you can do it with your foot, with a learning curve, or pay hundreds of
dollars for a device to do it for you. They're a total waste of money for what
they do.

Basically, it's a throttle advance. You pedal down to 15%, it sends the
throttle to 25%. That's basically it, you can learn do do that yourself.

I don’t think that’s correct. The throttle blade moves the same distance related to the pedal, just faster.

Check out this vid. Not endorsing any particular product here.
Throttle controller demo

JB'sZL1 · 03-26-2020, 05:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tredye

Can a pedal commander really shave 1 sec off your 0-60 time?

Wow? 1 second off 0-60? Who's pushing that? I thought you had to spend $15-$25k on a ZL1 to do that.

chef-beavis · 03-26-2020, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 0stones0

I don’t think that’s correct. The throttle blade moves the same distance related to the pedal, just faster.

Check out this vid. Not endorsing any particular product here.
Throttle controller demo

That demo video is actually pretty spot-on, and impressive. Are there any of these that are less prone to failure and CELs?

0stones0 · 03-26-2020, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by chef-beavis

That demo video is actually pretty spot-on, and impressive. Are there any of these that are less prone to failure and CELs?

Seems as though they can cause problems for some and not for others, depending on which unit you use. Lots of threads on TC’s. I just recently installed a Pedal Commander with no issues to date. Time will tell.

SSEssence · 03-26-2020, 01:09 PM

Had limp mode issues with my VTC maybe a couple months in. Had my Pedal Commander for over a year with no issues

JB'sZL1 · 03-26-2020, 01:58 PM

I don't have one. No offense, but the guys with the SS's don't have blowers. Or at least, don't advertise as such. I understand lag...my Z doesn't have it. And if it is something other than hooey, meaning, improve 60', 1/8 and 1/4 times, how come none, and I mean NONE of the guys on the fast list use them? That's a rhetorical question by the way.

Save your money, unless you like giving it away. Or, put that money into a ported tb. Better yet, I'm porting my snout (and other things) and putting a 105 mm on there.

Throttle lag? I don't know what that is.

0stones0 · 03-26-2020, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JB'sZL1

I don't have one. No offense, but the guys with the SS's don't have blowers. Or at least, don't advertise as such. I understand lag...my Z doesn't have it. And if it is something other than hooey, meaning, improve 60', 1/8 and 1/4 times, how come none, and I mean NONE of the guys on the fast list use them? That's a rhetorical question by the way.

Save your money, unless you like giving it away. Or, put that money into a ported tb. Better yet, I'm porting my snout (and other things) and putting a 105 mm on there.

Throttle lag? I don't know what that is.

I don’t know anything about better times. I just know that the response is much better with the TC, on my car. If you have no lag on yours, sounds like you don’t need one. Some of us like how are cars respond with one. To each their own.

JB'sZL1 · 03-26-2020, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 0stones0

I don’t know anything about better times. I just know that the response is much better with the TC, on my car. If you have no lag on yours, sounds like you don’t need one. Some of us like how are cars respond with one. To each their own.

And that's what needs to be exemplified...here...on the ZL1 board. It will not improve your times. BTW: I found out where the op got his suggestion that it would cut 1.0 seconds off a 0-60: YOUTUBE!!! Outrageous.

For my money, my 3 Benjamins are going elsewhere, and will vastly improve my 60', 1/8 and 1/4 times.

chef-beavis · 03-26-2020, 05:36 PM

My apologies, only because I didn't even see this was a ZL1 thread. If you watch the video, it certainly appears as if the pace the TB opens is hindered in as-stock condition. That is what interests me, because while my car pulls harder than my old street machine ever did, the throttle tip-in response is nothing like a well-dialed in carb ever was. If what is shown in that video is what is really going on under my hood, it explains why. Now, the $300 question is, have they put that delay in to allow the rest of the injection system to keep up or for torque management? If it's the former, then if you whip the blade faster and there's no fuel, it would simply cough and fall on its face.

Seriously, watch the video. It doesn't not appear to me that it's changing the relationship between A and B. It appears it removing a horrible restriction on how fast the TB is allowed to open when it's stock. Maybe he's mashing it slower to make it look that way, but I don't think so.

JB'sZL1 · 03-26-2020, 05:57 PM

Rather than answering your question directly, I will go about it another way. I looked into these years ago and was unimpressed. Despite some adamant proclamations there is a seat in your pants benefit, and, one YT'er proclaiming he shaved 1 second off his 0-60, I see no empirical data of that. You have a Camaro, and are on the Camaro Forum. Why has no one on the fast list using this? Why do no reputable speed shops sell these? Why are though no praises from some of the car magazines? Quite possibly they engineered a delay for good reason...I do not know as I don't experience that. And I know what you mean by well-dialed in carbs. I was well-versed in in changing needle jets, rebuilding Quadrajets, perfecting the linkage on tri-carbs, and dismantling and rebuilding the Amals on my Triumphs.

If this $300 thing gives you shi*s and giggles, despite not making your Camaro any faster...there you go.

12-09-2019, 03:41 PM	#1
tredye Drives: 2012 RS LT convertible Join Date: May 2017 Location: Norfolk va Posts: 59 View My Garage	Pedal commander Can a pedal commander really shave 1 sec off your 0-60 time?

12-09-2019, 04:33 PM	#2
acammer GPI Sales Consultant Drives: 2011 Camaro 2SS SGM Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Weedsport, NY Posts: 2,794 View My Garage	No - it adds ZERO power, it just changes response. __________________ GPI Max Package 2.0: Brodix BR7 heads/GPI porting, MAX3 cam, ST2116LSR, BSR Max Lift rockers, LS7 LSXR with 103mm TB, Vararam OTR, Mcleod RXT, G-Force/Strange 9" IRS setup with 4.63 gear. 551whp, 11.1@124mph. *Got a question about a GPI product? Feel free to shoot me a message!*

12-09-2019, 05:20 PM	#3
SSEssence Instagram: Sangstah Drives: 2019 Camaro 1LE Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Buena Park, CA. Posts: 2,799 View My Garage	Nope it will improve throttle response but won't shave off any time. __________________ 2019 SS 1LE - "CaSSandra" 2014 SS - "AleSSandra - Sold" 94 Z28 - Sold Follow the build https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=612717

03-26-2020, 01:09 PM	#9
SSEssence Instagram: Sangstah Drives: 2019 Camaro 1LE Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Buena Park, CA. Posts: 2,799 View My Garage	Had limp mode issues with my VTC maybe a couple months in. Had my Pedal Commander for over a year with no issues __________________ 2019 SS 1LE - "CaSSandra" 2014 SS - "AleSSandra - Sold" 94 Z28 - Sold Follow the build https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=612717

12-09-2019, 06:38 PM	#4
'10CamaroDude Account Suspended Drives: 2010 Camaro LS Join Date: Nov 2019 Location: Pgh Posts: 739 View My Garage	All they do is push the throttle forward father than where your pedal is. So, you can do it with your foot, with a learning curve, or pay hundreds of dollars for a device to do it for you. They're a total waste of money for what they do. Basically, it's a throttle advance. You pedal down to 15%, it sends the throttle to 25%. That's basically it, you can learn do do that yourself.

03-26-2020, 01:58 PM	#10
JB'sZL1 Drives: 2013 ZL1 and 2019 Ram Laramie Join Date: May 2017 Location: Milwaukee Posts: 1,259	I don't have one. No offense, but the guys with the SS's don't have blowers. Or at least, don't advertise as such. I understand lag...my Z doesn't have it. And if it is something other than hooey, meaning, improve 60', 1/8 and 1/4 times, how come none, and I mean NONE of the guys on the fast list use them? That's a rhetorical question by the way. Save your money, unless you like giving it away. Or, put that money into a ported tb. Better yet, I'm porting my snout (and other things) and putting a 105 mm on there. Throttle lag? I don't know what that is.

03-26-2020, 05:36 PM	#13
chef-beavis Drives: IOM 2013 2SS/RS, Greenie, 06 FXSTBi Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Turd Town, WI Posts: 1,584	My apologies, only because I didn't even see this was a ZL1 thread. If you watch the video, it certainly appears as if the pace the TB opens is hindered in as-stock condition. That is what interests me, because while my car pulls harder than my old street machine ever did, the throttle tip-in response is nothing like a well-dialed in carb ever was. If what is shown in that video is what is really going on under my hood, it explains why. Now, the $300 question is, have they put that delay in to allow the rest of the injection system to keep up or for torque management? If it's the former, then if you whip the blade faster and there's no fuel, it would simply cough and fall on its face. Seriously, watch the video. It doesn't not appear to me that it's changing the relationship between A and B. It appears it removing a horrible restriction on how fast the TB is allowed to open when it's stock. Maybe he's mashing it slower to make it look that way, but I don't think so.

03-26-2020, 05:57 PM	#14
JB'sZL1 Drives: 2013 ZL1 and 2019 Ram Laramie Join Date: May 2017 Location: Milwaukee Posts: 1,259	Rather than answering your question directly, I will go about it another way. I looked into these years ago and was unimpressed. Despite some adamant proclamations there is a seat in your pants benefit, and, one YT'er proclaiming he shaved 1 second off his 0-60, I see no empirical data of that. You have a Camaro, and are on the Camaro Forum. Why has no one on the fast list using this? Why do no reputable speed shops sell these? Why are though no praises from some of the car magazines? Quite possibly they engineered a delay for good reason...I do not know as I don't experience that. And I know what you mean by well-dialed in carbs. I was well-versed in in changing needle jets, rebuilding Quadrajets, perfecting the linkage on tri-carbs, and dismantling and rebuilding the Amals on my Triumphs. If this $300 thing gives you shi*s and giggles, despite not making your Camaro any faster...there you go.