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Old 12-19-2008, 09:36 AM   #15

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Thank God!!!! Best thing that could have happened. My Dad and other retirees can breath a little easier.
Bring on our CAMAROs!!!!!!!!!!!!
Only for the next 3 months and then it's back to worrying again.
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Old 12-19-2008, 09:52 AM   #16
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Thank you executive oRDer

Thank you executive oRDer, Its nice being the Prez!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 12-19-2008, 09:54 AM   #17

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Merry Christmas! : )

This is really good news, finally some relief.
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Old 12-19-2008, 10:14 AM   #18
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took em long enough.
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My sister's dentist's brother's cousin's housekeeper's dog-breeder's nephew sells coffee filters to the company that provides coffee to General Motors......
........and HE WOULD KNOW!!!!

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Old 12-19-2008, 10:17 AM   #19
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Old 12-19-2008, 10:21 AM   #20
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Old 12-19-2008, 10:40 AM   #21
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Thumbs up Thank You Bush!

A big thank you to Bush for helping GM. There is definately more comfort now.
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Old 12-19-2008, 10:43 AM   #22
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I just received this from my Congressman...I am on his list from the variety of letters I sent...Talk about a fast response! A good summary of the deal...

As you know, Congress recently failed to pass important bridge loans for Michigan's auto industry. In response to Congress' shortcomings, I have been working with President Bush to use part of the Wall Street bailout funding to assist the Big 3.

I am very pleased to share with you the news that this morning President Bush announced a $17 billion bridge loan program for Michigan's automakers. I am confident that this assistance will prevent disaster for Michigan's economy and Michigan workers. I am also confident that these bridge loans will give Michigan the helping hand we need to rebuild and renew for our future.

However, we must recognize that these bridge loans alone will not solve Michigan's problems. I am encouraged that President Obama has said he wants to help Michigan and our auto industry. I look forward to working with him to do everything possible to help the Big 3 get back on their feet again. As your Congressman, I will always continue to work create sensible energy, tax, and health care policies that created jobs and promote economic growth in Michigan.

Again, thank you for allowing me the opportunity to share my thoughts with you.


Amount: Auto manufacturers will be provided with $13.4 B in short-term financing from the TARP, with an additional $4 B available in February, contingent upon drawing down the second tranche of TARP funds.

Viability Requirement: The firms must use these funds to become financially viable. Taxpayers will not be asked to provide financing for firms that do not become viable. If the firms have not attained viability by March 31, 2009, the loan will be called and all funds returned to the Treasury.

Definition of Viability: A firm will only be deemed viable if it has a positive net present value, taking into account all current and future costs, and can fully repay the government loan.

Binding Terms and Conditions: The binding terms and conditions established by the Treasury will mirror those that were voted favorably by a majority of both Houses of Congress, including:

· Firms must provide warrants for non-voting stock.

· Firms must accept limits on executive compensation and eliminate perks such as corporate jets.

· Debt owed to the government would be senior to other debts, to the extent permitted by law.

· Firms must allow the government to examine their books and records.

· Firms must report and the government has the power to block any large transactions (>$100 M).

· Firms must comply with applicable Federal fuel efficiency and emissions requirements.

· Firms must not issue new dividends while they owe government debt.


The terms and conditions established by the Treasury will include additional targets that were the subject of Congressional negotiations but did not come to a vote, including:

· Reduce debts by 2/3 via a debt for equity exchange.

· Make one-half of VEBA payments in the form of stock.

· Eliminate the jobs bank.

· Work rules that are competitive with transplant auto manufacturers by 12/31/09.

· Wages that are competitive with those of transplant auto manufactures by 12/31/09.

These specific terms and conditions are non-binding, but firms that accept these loans must report why they have deviated from these terms and conditions and make the business case to achieve long-term viability in spite of the deviations.

In additions, the firm will be required to conclude new agreements with its other major stakeholders, including dealers suppliers, by March 31, 2009.


Mike Rogers
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Old 12-19-2008, 10:46 AM   #23
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At least he did something remotely viable for a change.
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Old 12-19-2008, 10:51 AM   #24

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He has my vote now!
"With a light touch on the brakes, run the revs up a bit. Slip off the brake and bury the throttle. There's a light chirp as tires scratch for bite. Then comes a sub-5.0-second sled ride to 60 mph. A tick over 13.0 sec. and you're through the quarter-mile. It's a rush, of course, but not overly dramatic. Try the same thing with this pair's predecessors of 1970 or so and you'll find yourself in a bit of a wrestling match. Ain't progress wonderful? Maybe yes, and maybe sometimes it's fun to wrestle."
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Old 12-19-2008, 10:52 AM   #25
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4 more years! 4 more years! Wait, is this considered POLITICAL talk?
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Old 12-19-2008, 10:54 AM   #26

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He has my vote now!
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Old 12-19-2008, 10:56 AM   #27
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At least he did something remotely viable for a change.
About time he can call himself a president. Good for him for a change!
Buddy (that owns a mustang GT) to a tech at auto club: I am getting killed by camaros at the strip...what do i have to do to beat one?
Tech back to my buddy: Buy a camaro...
Buddy: Turns around and walks away with head down...

Gotta love GM!
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Old 12-19-2008, 10:56 AM   #28
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Yes, but I like it Scotty!!
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