The off topic plane section...

[aston70]

Originally Posted by Bumble Bee '77

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[Bumble Bee '77]

Well Technically his name would be SkyFire, until he crashes into the glacier and is trapped for a few decades before being discovered by the Autobots and reprogrammed. Then he'd become JetFire. And he should be a F-14 IMO. but thats not likely since the F-14 is outdated.

[chadrcr]

Originally Posted by Bumble Bee '77

Well Technically his name would be SkyFire, until he crashes into the glacier and is trapped for a few decades before being discovered by the Autobots and reprogrammed. Then he'd become JetFire. And he should be a F-14 IMO. but thats not likely since the F-14 is outdated.

He should be an F/A-18 Super Hornet, or F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, or F-22 Raptor if they stray from the roots (Navy) of the F-14.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by Bumble Bee '77

but thats not likely since the F-14 is outdated.

The F-14's replacements still don't have the speed or the range (flight, radar, and weapons) of the Tomcat, though the systems on board are aging. However, the SR-71 is even older at around 50 years now and nothing (official) has been able to come close to what it does let alone beat it.

oh right, Shunt . . . anyon seen him yet?

[EllwynX]

Originally Posted by Bumble Bee '77

Well Technically his name would be SkyFire, until he crashes into the glacier and is trapped for a few decades before being discovered by the Autobots and reprogrammed. Then he'd become JetFire. And he should be a F-14 IMO. but thats not likely since the F-14 is outdated.

Skyfire/Jetfire. The names are actually both correct. In the cartoon he was Skyfire, in the comics/toys he was Jetfire.

What his name is is one of those arguments that will go on forever with Transformer fans, just like whether Rumble is red or blue. (He's BLUE!)

He starts out as a Decepticon (in G1) before he realizes he doesn't really agree with their methods. Though he hates aligning himself against his old friend Starscream.

That said, I've always much preferred SKYfire.

[radz28]

Originally Posted by chadrcr

He should be an F/A-18 Super Hornet, or F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, or F-22 Raptor if they stray from the roots (Navy) of the F-14.

This is already Starscream, which I'm sure you already know. I agree though; I think it should be an F-14 or F-15. The F-14 has only been out of service for a few or so years, but the F-15 is still in service. The F-15 has like a 101 to 0 victory record too

[radz28]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

The F-14's replacements still don't have the speed or the range (flight, radar, and weapons) of the Tomcat, though the systems on board are aging. However, the SR-71 is even older at around 50 years now and nothing (official) has been able to come close to what it does let alone beat it.

oh right, Shunt . . . anyon seen him yet?

I agree on the points of the F-14. It's too bad it was so costly to maintain and operate. I love that jet.

The SR-71 did have a close rival though, the MIG-25 and MIG-31. Both were able to get up to Mach 2.83 or something close to there, and there was speculation it could go faster. I think, though, the SR-71 was still better, as there were something like 700+ USSR missles fired at it without ever bringing one down. They'd just go WOT and run away from the missles. I think the top speed of those, officially, was Mach 3.3, but I've read there were pilots who'd reached higher speeds. One thing to remember was it was designed to run at, at least, those speeds regularly. That's awesome.

But I digress. I vote F-14 or F-15

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by radz282003

I agree on the points of the F-14. It's too bad it was so costly to maintain and operate. I love that jet.

The SR-71 did have a close rival though, the MIG-25 and MIG-31. Both were able to get up to Mach 2.83 or something close to there, and there was speculation it could go faster. I think, though, the SR-71 was still better, as there were something like 700+ USSR missles fired at it without ever bringing one down. They'd just go WOT and run away from the missles. I think the top speed of those, officially, was Mach 3.3, but I've read there were pilots who'd reached higher speeds. One thing to remember was it was designed to run at, at least, those speeds regularly. That's awesome.

But I digress. I vote F-14 or F-15

For the longest time, top speed was mach 3.0+ for the Black Bird, altitude of 80 000 feet +. Then I was hearing 3.5+ and 100 000+. And yeah, there were Soviet planes that could almost reach its speed, but only for a very short burst. They would have to have a perfect intercept course, wait till the SR71 is right behind them, punch it, and hope that it hasn't gone too far ahead of them.

One plane that might have made things real interesting would have been the Avro Arrow. Odds are you've never heard of it. Unvailed the same day as sputnik launched, it reached mach 2 at 75% throttle with test engines. In the final version, this would be equivelent to about half throttle. It wouldn't be able to reach mach 3, probably would have reached 2.5 or better. But it would have been damm impressive for a Canadian company to do in the 50's. Now into wildass speculation . . . consider what the replacement for that could have done 20 years later. If only . . .
(this thread has been brought way off topic by a Canadian who wants to be an aerospace engineer, thus the Avro CF-105 Arrow is the greatest plane in history in his mind)

[The_Stache]

topic derail!!!!

Originally Posted by Iroczlover

No I was joking Scott lol Heck weather back there has to be better than the weather here. Heck it was SNOWING in the passes last night & sticking. SNOW in JUNE.

so much for global warming eh...

Originally Posted by DGthe3

For the longest time, top speed was mach 3.0+ for the Black Bird, altitude of 80 000 feet +. Then I was hearing 3.5+ and 100 000+. And yeah, there were Soviet planes that could almost reach its speed, but only for a very short burst. They would have to have a perfect intercept course, wait till the SR71 is right behind them, punch it, and hope that it hasn't gone too far ahead of them.

Nifty useless piece of random information.. The sr71 has a fuel line that runs under the wings that actually leaks aviation gas when its not moving mach 1+, this was done becuase an actual solid fuel line would burst from the air pressure generated by the high speed. SO any sr71 that is fueled and on the ground leaks gas.

[TheMadHatter99]

If we're hoping for a plane to take on Starscream, it had better be an F-35 and not one of the last-generation jets.

/Off topic

I'm actually going through the Navy's equivalent of SWAT training right now so I'm getting a kick out of these replies. Keep it up fellas.

[radz28]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

For the longest time, top speed was mach 3.0+ for the Black Bird, altitude of 80 000 feet +. Then I was hearing 3.5+ and 100 000+. And yeah, there were Soviet planes that could almost reach its speed, but only for a very short burst. They would have to have a perfect intercept course, wait till the SR71 is right behind them, punch it, and hope that it hasn't gone too far ahead of them.

One plane that might have made things real interesting would have been the Avro Arrow. Odds are you've never heard of it. Unvailed the same day as sputnik launched, it reached mach 2 at 75% throttle with test engines. In the final version, this would be equivelent to about half throttle. It wouldn't be able to reach mach 3, probably would have reached 2.5 or better. But it would have been damm impressive for a Canadian company to do in the 50's. Now into wildass speculation . . . consider what the replacement for that could have done 20 years later. If only . . .
(this thread has been brought way off topic by a Canadian who wants to be an aerospace engineer, thus the Avro CF-105 Arrow is the greatest plane in history in his mind)

I've heard about that one. Yeah, the Canadian Minister (I think) pulled the plug at the last minute without explaination, because Soviet spies obtained information about it. I guess they destroyed all the molds and manufacturing equipment too so that Russia would not be able to reverse engineer anything. You know, if I remember correctly, I think the MIG-25 and 31s were pretty close in appearance to the Avro, ironically. Too bad they couldn't turn worth a crap without getting pulled apart.

Have you heard of the Valkerie? I forget the designation, but this one was a promising jet also; Mach 3+ bomber. I think the US produced a prototype, but it was scrapped thanks to Kennedy or someone in that era.
Too bad. This is a great discussion. (Sorry for )

[radz28]

Originally Posted by diarmadhi

topic derail!!!!



so much for global warming eh...



Nifty useless piece of random information.. The sr71 has a fuel line that runs under the wings that actually leaks aviation gas when its not moving mach 1+, this was done becuase an actual solid fuel line would burst from the air pressure generated by the high speed. SO any sr71 that is fueled and on the ground leaks gas.

Yeah, I've read that thing leaked like a sieve. It's kinda' scary if you think about it. It's took bad we had to retire it. The first aircraft designed with stealth, the fastest manned aircraft in history, and I think the most beautiful aircraft produced. Grr...

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[chadrcr]

Originally Posted by radz282003

I agree on the points of the F-14. It's too bad it was so costly to maintain and operate. I love that jet.

The SR-71 did have a close rival though, the MIG-25 and MIG-31. Both were able to get up to Mach 2.83 or something close to there, and there was speculation it could go faster. I think, though, the SR-71 was still better, as there were something like 700+ USSR missles fired at it without ever bringing one down. They'd just go WOT and run away from the missles. I think the top speed of those, officially, was Mach 3.3, but I've read there were pilots who'd reached higher speeds. One thing to remember was it was designed to run at, at least, those speeds regularly. That's awesome.

But I digress. I vote F-14 or F-15

If not the new F35 JSF, then F-14, at least IT transforms; its wings