Originally Posted by Vega (Post 1270856)

Okay first off lets keep this friendly cause i know a lot of people get touchy on subjects such as these.

So we've all heard the rumors of the Z/28 engines, ironicly we're looking at "the big three" we've got the LS7, the LS9, and seemingly everyone's favorite, the LSA. Me personally dont favor the LSA and with the overwhelming fanbase for it i was wondering who else might agree with me. For discussion purposes i'll list my reasons as to why i do not favor the LSA...

1.) It is a supercharged LS3, which nearly every aftermarket company and private owner seeking performance has already done thousands upon thousands of times.

2.) If all aftermarket companies (now including the new Yenko i guess) are going to be offering supercharged LS3 Camaros, why would i want a production model like that? It most likely be less powerful, cost more (Nickey Stage 2 is going for $40,000) and innevitably the aftermarket Nickeys and Yenkos will be rarer, more collectible, and more valuable anyways.
Warranty

3.) Why use a supercharged 550hp engine when there is an N/A 550hp engine available? Despite rumors of it being terminated (yet to be seen as its still strongly supported in the Z06)
Warranty and driving manners.

4.) Why not just add the LS9 anyways? Top of the line Corvette engines have been available in the past through COPO and other various sources.
Sounds good to me! :D

5.) An LSA powered Camaro would basically be a re-badged CTS-V, and isnt that exactly what everyone wants GM to get away from these days?
I don't see how you could say that. While the platform is roughly the same the exterior and interior look nothing like the Cadillac.

6.) The LSA is the only engine out of the three without forged internals = weaker equipment
LS3 doesn't have forged internals does it?

7.) Why use a 550hp supercharged LS3 when you have a 663hp supercharged LS3 available?
Once again, sounds good to me. :D



I may think of more, these are just the issues i could think of on the spot...

Originally Posted by Vega (Post 1270856)

1.) It is a supercharged LS3, which nearly every aftermarket company and private owner seeking performance has already done thousands upon thousands of times.
It's FAR more than just simply a supercharged LS3.

2.) If all aftermarket companies (now including the new Yenko i guess) are going to be offering supercharged LS3 Camaros, why would i want a production model like that? It most likely be less powerful, cost more (Nickey Stage 2 is going for $40,000) and innevitably the aftermarket Nickeys and Yenkos will be rarer, more collectible, and more valuable anyways.
It will have a warranty, and have been DESIGNED to be supercharged from the factory. I love the LS3, but it won't last, all things equal, as long as an equivalent LSA. On cost...there's going to be more to the Z than simply a bigger engine. And on collectibility...me? I want my car as complete as possible from the factory.

3.) Why use a supercharged 550hp engine when there is an N/A 550hp engine available? Despite rumors of it being terminated (yet to be seen as its still strongly supported in the Z06)
Is there? The 550hp in the LS7 Camaro concept is not emissions-legal. Several GM people have confirmed that the LS7 is pretty much as good as your going to get out of an LS engine and still be regulations-compliant.

4.) Why not just add the LS9 anyways? Top of the line Corvette engines have been available in the past through COPO and other various sources.
There is nothing equivilant to COPO today, and the LS9 would simply price the Z28 out of competition.

5.) An LSA powered Camaro would basically be a re-badged CTS-V, and isnt that exactly what everyone wants GM to get away from these days?
Not...quite. I think that's a stretch. Cobalt and the G5 is a rebadge...the GMC SUVs and Chevy cousins were rebadges. This would not be. And the Traverse/Enclave/Acadia are examples of similar vehicles being successfully differentiated...A shared engine is not grounds for "rebadge" accusations. At least in my opinion.

6.) The LSA is the only engine out of the three without forged internals = weaker equipment
LS7 does not have forged internals. And "weak" in terms of what? The engine has been extensively tested and proven to apparently be more durable than an LS9...if it's aftermarket you're worried about, I wouldn't. Hennessy has had great success with this engine, and if you're going to get crazy-serious, a forged rotating assembly should be in order anyways.

7.) Why use a 550hp supercharged LS3 when you have a 663hp supercharged LS3 available?
Cost, cost, cost, cost, cost, cost, cost, cost, cost, cost, cost, cost, cost, cost, cost, cost, cost, cost, cost, cost, cost, cost, cost, cost, cost...

Originally Posted by mlee (Post 1271130)

Z got the axe... motor is a non issue now...:(

Originally Posted by Vega (Post 1270856)

Okay first off lets keep this friendly cause i know a lot of people get touchy on subjects such as these.

So we've all heard the rumors of the Z/28 engines, ironicly we're looking at "the big three" we've got the LS7, the LS9, and seemingly everyone's favorite, the LSA. Me personally dont favor the LSA and with the overwhelming fanbase for it i was wondering who else might agree with me. For discussion purposes i'll list my reasons as to why i do not favor the LSA...

1.) It is a supercharged LS3, which nearly every aftermarket company and private owner seeking performance has already done thousands upon thousands of times.
I think it is a bold statment to say that everyone that wanted a SC Camaro has one already. Plus it will be a good platform to work off of. That way you already have the hard part done (the supercharger installed) so all you have to do is simple bolt ons to beat the GT500

2.) If all aftermarket companies (now including the new Yenko i guess) are going to be offering supercharged LS3 Camaros, why would i want a production model like that? It most likely be less powerful, cost more (Nickey Stage 2 is going for $40,000) and innevitably the aftermarket Nickeys and Yenkos will be rarer, more collectible, and more valuable anyways.
Warranty is the easiest answer to this comment

3.) Why use a supercharged 550hp engine when there is an N/A 550hp engine available? Despite rumors of it being terminated (yet to be seen as its still strongly supported in the Z06)
MPG will probably be better with the SC because the displacement will be down

4.) Why not just add the LS9 anyways? Top of the line Corvette engines have been available in the past through COPO and other various sources.
GM is going to want to save that motor for their halo car

5.) An LSA powered Camaro would basically be a re-badged CTS-V, and isnt that exactly what everyone wants GM to get away from these days?
Yeah totally different not sure what happened when you wrote this

6.) The LSA is the only engine out of the three without forged internals = weaker equipment
Isn't the LS9 the only one with forged internals?

7.) Why use a 550hp supercharged LS3 when you have a 663hp supercharged LS3 available?
Are you talking about the LS9 if so see comment above


I may think of more, these are just the issues i could think of on the spot...
Keep thinking

Originally Posted by mlee (Post 1271130)

Z got the axe... motor is a non issue now...:(

Originally Posted by KoTToN (Post 1271001)

so you dont want the LSA because its a supercharged ls3, but the ls9 would be cool being just an even more supercharged ls3?

Originally Posted by Vega (Post 1271316)

lol, remember the comment about "touchy issue?"

Personally i would consider the Z/28 a rebadged CTS-V because it would be 2-door, same engine, roughly same deminsions, very likely the same transmission, i mean yeah the platform may be different but how different is it really? looking at the two you'd probly never know the difference

Originally Posted by Vega (Post 1271476)

Hm, i was looking at this...i guess its just a coupe concept?

http://carphotos.cardomain.com/sites...john/cts-2.jpg

Originally Posted by Vega (Post 1271316)

lol, remember the comment about "touchy issue?"

Personally i would consider the Z/28 a rebadged CTS-V because it would be 2-door, same engine, roughly same deminsions, very likely the same transmission, i mean yeah the platform may be different but how different is it really? looking at the two you'd probly never know the difference

Noise, vibration, harshness, and ride quality will all be improved with the luxury sigma platform. Going by engine and transmission as "rebadging" is 100% off the mark. Rebadge = same platform, same drive train, and swappable interiors/exteriors (often with shared components). Its derived from the ability to take the badges off one car, put them on another, and few would know the difference. This isn't really a debatable point.


Also ive heard everyone talking about the cost of the LS9, well how can we really set a price? All people are going by is the ZR1's price which, aside from the fact that there's so many carbon fiber and extra performance components, it was still a legendary car as soon as it hit the showroom floor, not to mention the cream of the crop of GM's crowned king of the crop, of course it'd be extremely expensive...does that make the engine horribly expensive? Not necessarily.

No, its based largely on the cost of the engines themselves. The LS3 costs about $6000, the LS7 and LSA are both around $13,000. The LS9 is crowding $20,000.