Zl1 vs new m5
 

I think the new m5 will give a good run Road course and drag race.

just remember the new M5 is $92,000.

0-60 3.7
1/4mile 12.0 @ 122
4300lbs

how does everyone think the Zl1 will compare?
http://www.bmwblog.com/2011/10/26/20...60-in-3-7-sec/

That being said as a bargain it will be very hard to compete with a zl1. I can't wait to see some videos of these two racing each other.

My money is on the ZL1. More power, less weight, and a much better set-up.

That M5 look's really heavy will give the win to ZL1 all day and stand by it

M5

Just bought car n drive magz, m5 hp is only 560hp, zl1 is 580. 20 more hp on zl1. Maybe if we do drag race camaro will win, but i dont know if full lenght track race.

Well they're both very close in weight, but the ZL1 packs 20 more hp and 50 tq than the M5...with equal drivers I would lean towards the Z pulling ahead of the M in the 1/4. Handling would be close I suspect, though the mag ride may again provide a small boost over the already sick BMW suspension capabilities. No comparison regarding interiors or comforts etc...two different animals and the M is a 90k+ ride..

ZL1 all the way.

Don't forget that BMW tends to be extremely conservative with their numbers. I saw the tech video's online when the M5 Engineers went over every aspect of the cars design. It will be a beast!

Also take into account that the M5 actually does 0-60 in 3.7, BMW's times are without roll out unlike the ZL1, GT500 etc etc etc

Well the new M5 posted a 7:55 Nurburgring time.

The 7:40 the ZL1 posted is a pretty healthy lead if you ask me.

Wow didn't know that.

The 'ring video on you tube of the ZL1 is pretty sick. Bad ass acceleration!!!

M5

M5.

Same reason an M3 will walk an SS.

There's more than horsepower numbers. Transmission on those cars is godly.

Word, I've driven an M3 with a Dual Clutch Transmission and it's no wonder supercars are trading in conventional manual trannys for them.

What does the price have to do with the hp tq the m5 will have? Its heavier.

Yep, they intentionally gear the DSG short in those cars to improve acceleration (even though there are 7 gears on the 135, there is no gear that's equivalent to the 6th gear on the manual version of the same car, the DSG is just geared that way, more for "fun"), then combined with how they seemlessly change gears, they accelerate faster with less HP. They won't reach as high a top-speed and the camaro would "eventually" pass it, but this is after 1/4th of a mile.

I'm not sure if you are still talking about the M5 or switched gears to a 135 but just so everyone knows, M5's have been 200mph+ car's for a while now.

Here we go AGAIN,lol

x2. Old E60 has hit 200mph with only the 155mph electronic governor removed. I suspect the F10 will do the same looking at the fact it's got 1. more power 2. better aerodynamic

im going to go with the ZL1 for the 1/4 b/c of the better power to weight ratio and a very nice suspension

probably a tie for a drag race or slight edge to the ZL1, and the ZL1 should take the cake for the road race. Its already faster in the ring right now.

But secondly and importantly, not the same category or demographic is being targeted by the two cars. That being said, you can't directly compete the two as they value different aspects that they consider "important" and therefor a positive compromise in different directions (IE luxury is not a ZL1 top priority).

ring times speak for themselves

:word: but everyone seems to be worried about the M5 out-drag racing the ZL1 instead.

On performance ZL1 all the way. On creature comforts M5 would win. At least I would hope so for the price.

M5 is 7.76 pounds per HP
ZL1 7.10 Pouds per HP

M5 On Nurenburg did 7.55
ZL1 on nurenburg did 7.41

It's a 14 second difference on a 13 mile track. They very well could run the same time with the same driver, on the same day, under the same conditions.

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I'm not sure why more people don't get this, they only seem to think HP/weight is important. It's not the only thing.

+1

This is why I am hesitant to trade up for the new 2013 GT500 because who to say they wont put in a crazy dual clutch auto, electronic diff, DI, flex fuel, ect the following years and then have to trade up again. I kinda wish Ford, Chevy and Dodge would throw the kitchen sink at these car's and focus on styling instead of upgrading parts I cant easily swap every year. Good for them bad for us car nuts that have to have the latest and greatest offerings.

won't give up the third pedal even if its quicker

:popcorn:

BMW's are lame.

:facepalm:

Says the guy driving a 300C :thumbdown: :bellyroll:

ZR1 0-60 3.3 seconds from motortrend
1/4 mile 11.5
Hero run 10.85

Lol at M5 having a chance with equal drivers. Some of you people are too funny.

$92,xxx vs $54,xxx

The answer is obvious...

I like 300C's more, but id rather have a Cadillac over a BMW anyday.

That 14 second difference is after countless runs to get that time. That 14 seconds is a world of difference. Just like the Zl1 is within 19 seconds of the GTR, And some Viper ACR, ZR1, and Z06 Carbon times. Does that mean the Zl1 will "very well could run the same time with the same driver, on the same day, under the same conditions"? Probably not a chance in hell.

The point is that just small differences in time on the ring are substantial, and it separates classes of cars and supercars.

Except for the tiny little issue of this thread being about the zL1, not the zR1....

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