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specialfx 04-28-2014 08:23 PM

What should I do while the rear cradle is out of the car?
 
I have a '13 V6 A6 2LS & I'm swapping in a complete rear end from a low mileage '13 1LE. What if anything should I do while I've got the cradle out? (Don't worry I'm doing the front as well for a full FE2~FE6 upgrade) It's a 2nd car not a DD so I don't mind a stiff suspension but I don't want the ride too harsh so no solid bushings. I'm doing this upgrade to correct the body roll I experienced at the track(see pic below from Laguna Seca) and improve my AutoX performance.
I've already done the Brembo upgrade and they seem more than adequate.
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jeremywes 04-29-2014 07:45 AM

The 1le will already have the 3.91's but the rest is advisable.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...e+rear+bushing

BMR Sales 04-29-2014 09:41 AM

For the best autocross performance, you might consider swapping the Cradle Bushings to our Pro-Version Polyurethane Bushings (BK024). Also, while the cradle is out, it's a real good idea to replace the rear upper control arm bushings, I would recommend the BK039 Delrin version. The rest can be later after the cradle is installed. And if you're looking to get rid of body roll, our BMR sway bars will outperform the 1LE bars in every aspect!!!

BTW, what car is that parked behind your new cradle? Looks pretty cool!!!

specialfx 04-29-2014 09:48 AM

Thanks for the link to your awesome write up JEREMYWES! I'll do some research on the bushings, seems like there are a few brands out there.

BMR I'll be in touch once I do my research and get some more opinions from the forums.
The car in the background is my 1972 Volvo 1800e that's undergoing a restomod(actually it's accumulating dust while I play with my new Camaro)http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/29/qu2y8aba.jpg

JDP Sales 04-29-2014 05:17 PM

Keith @ BMR gave great advise; the subframe/cradle bushings and upper CAB's are all that really need to be addressed while the cradle is down. I'd also suggest installing the toe link bolts in the reverse direction to prevent having to lower the cradle again to replace them. (they hit the fuel tank when removing them)

Feel free to call, PM or email me anytime with questions.

Best regards,

Tyler
888-308-6007

specialfx 04-30-2014 09:56 AM

I'm a bit confused on these subframe mounts, I have this bushing insert kit that I got from another member here(thanks HYPURONE) but they don't seem to fit for my '13 1LE rear end. Chevy seems to have gone to more solid mounts. Is there even an upgrade for these? The big upper ones seem to have little to no flex when I pry on them, but the lowers do seem to move around a little.
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BMR Sales 04-30-2014 10:01 AM

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Yep, those are the wrong inserts for your car. As you figured out, Chevy did upgrade to a little bit better bushing....I believe it was during the changover to the FE4 Suspension. You need the BK040 inserts (as pictured below), and you currently have the BK016 inserts.

specialfx 04-30-2014 10:04 AM

Got it, I guess I'll have to sell the ones I got and get those. Do those go over the lower metal hats or do they replace it? It seems like the underside metal part doesn't want to come off.

BMR Sales 04-30-2014 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by specialfx (Post 7625530)
Got it, I guess I'll have to sell the ones I got and get those. Do those go over the lower metal hats or do they replace it? It seems like the underside metal part doesn't want to come off.

No, they go under the "lower hat" (lower bushing retainer plate). You've gotta take them off. I used a chisel and hammer to "wedge" them apart from the bushing. You also will have to lower the subframe/cradle enough to put the upper inserts on top of the bushings (in between the bushing and the frame).

JDP Sales 04-30-2014 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by specialfx (Post 7625506)
I'm a bit confused on these subframe mounts, I have this bushing insert kit that I got from another member here(thanks HYPURONE) but they don't seem to fit for my '13 1LE rear end. Chevy seems to have gone to more solid mounts. Is there even an upgrade for these? The big upper ones seem to have little to no flex when I pry on them, but the lowers do seem to move around a little.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/30/7use8age.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/30/game7utu.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/30/6enapymy.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/30/ujeqyduh.jpg

You can also trim the "fingers" to make those ones fit, but I'd still recommend a full replacement bushing over the inserts. Getting rid of the soft factory rubber is really a big part of the upgrade.

If cost is a concern, check out the Prothane replacement bushings Part # 7-142. They are a full bushing at about the same cost as inserts.

Best regards,

Tyler
888-308-6007

BMR Sales 04-30-2014 12:33 PM

Tyler is absolutely correct, the full bushing replacements work a LOT better than the inserts. They're a lot more work to install, but because of the difference in performance, they're worth it in my opinion. If you're looking to stick with BMR, we do have the BK024 Pro-Version Full Bushing Replacement in-stock.

mp51998 04-30-2014 03:45 PM

Go for full replacement. Although I'm sporting a different brand, we have the inserts in my wife's car and the bushing replacement in mine. You can tell a difference. We'll be upgrading to replacements in hers eventually. I wanted full race car and hers was more of a DD at the time.

Lio Martinez 04-30-2014 11:49 PM

What's the easiest way to drop the rear craddle?


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