I don't post here often but I'd like to give you a bit of help.
Sometimes thinking outside of the box is useful.
For all of you who are struggling with FI due to fueling, I have a suggestion to make. Add port fueling... There is going to be a lot of conjecture and theories, but from experience with adding port fuel on top of a stock DI vehicle, it works, and works just fine. Just make sure that you are hitting the back of the valves with your injector. How to do this? I'd suggest looking into an LY7 Lower intake manifold, it'll likely bolt right up. It'll already have the correct bosses in there, and if the fuel rail doesn't fit with the LLT upper, run the LY7 upper. |
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I'm confused. Arent' they port fueled anyway? You talking about spraying along with FI?
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No, the LLT is a DI motor. I'm talking about adding port fueling on top of this. This is the best solution. The LLT already has a 4 lobe cam for the pump (so we can't add another lobe with a custom cam)(im almost 100% positive).
People need to be logging rail pressure though. If you guys are really running out of fuel due to the mechanical limits of the pump a couple of things will happen. #1 Fuel pressure will drop off. #2 As RPMs climb the amount of fuel that the pump will support will also climb. If neither is the case, you're likely running out of pressure or volume in the tank pump, or you're running out of injector (which I don't think is the case) |
Ok. I get that but most of them would measure rail pressure. And upgrading the fuel pumping system.
So you mean instead of BAP, duel pump, bigger pump etc ....... ??? Are you doing it now? I had to change my post. I didnt realize you were talking about the LLT. LMAO |
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You still retain all of the cooling effects of the DI even though you are adding port fuel, and you can stage the system if you wish as well.
What is your response on my comment about measuring rail pressure? What have you found? There are many cars that use both today, including the Lexus IS-F. Save yourself the trouble, and add port fuel on top of it, you'll be just fine. Direct injection works more like port fueling at high RPM's anyways due to the volume and injection duration. It doesn't atomize quite the same as low rpm. You'll notice a lot of DI cars running 14.5 A/F usually up to around 5000 rpm, after that A/F ratio will drop significantly to around normal port fuel levels. Seriously. Go on ebaymotors, pick up a LY7 Lower intake manifold, Upper intake manifold, and fuel rail. Heck you could even use stock injectors if you want to start - you'll get them for a song. The issue will be in mating up a simple stand-alone for the fuel trigger and injector control. Problems solved. |
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However I think it's better to run the port fuel on top of it for many many reasons, namely improved upgrade path, and reliability. Even if it complicates things a bit. |
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Port fueling sound interesting. maybe you should bring this up to tracy and see what his response is gretch. does anyone know how adkin did with their turbo build? I wonder how they got around the fueling issue even if they got around it:iono::iono:
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I wish I could tell you more, but I'm not asking IPS to give me details on what they are doing ("none of my business" thing from my perspective and maybe theirs), and Tracy and I just haven't had time to talk in details about where he is with it. I'm sure once he has a good feel for what will work he'll share. |
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The guy who had the manual there got his car back without the turbo. They had the clutch in and it felt bad. They redid it and I think the guy said he was going to drive it back to SanAntonio from CA. Jonathan was making promises he couldn't keep and had a bad business sense. He said the clutch was done, sold one to me, a month went by with excuse after excuse as to why it hadn't shipped. I asked for a refund and was told it would be granted. Another month goes by and I am losing it. I finally contacted my bank and got my refund finally yesterday. This is not the first forum to ban them and I don't believe it was just for rules infractions. I'm now going to get back in touch with Spec and see how they're doing with their clutch project. Now back to our regularly scheduled program. |
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Im glad everything worked out for ya at the end but I can just imagine what you was probably going through. |
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Let's just let them disappear, guys. Will sounded good, sounded enthusiastic, but in the end, couldn't fix what was wrong with Adkins from the start. Google them and you'll see Adkins Performance has been banned from different forums and it's always the same story.
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...your NA build is more impressive to me anyways than a supercharged application! |
Will seemed like a decent guy. Looks like he just made a bad decision in hitching his wagon to the Adkins Business of Fail.
Who among us hasn't made a poor decision or 2 in our lifetime? Thanks for the insight USA1. Glad you didn't get the shaft in the end. I'm out of this and movin on. :burnrubber: |
Throwing this out there but has anyone looking into the fuel system for the Cobalt? I know alot of guys that have run 30psi over the stock system so my logic is leading me to believe that the direct injection system from a cobalt should flow enough for a LLT.
I know Cobalt's fuel pump is in tank and the rails can run up to 2800psi. So if it can push 4 cylinders to 30psi then it should be able to push 6 at 5-10psi. Hopefully this can help solve the puzzle |
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Our fuel delivery isnt cutting out though. Its the Cobalt guys with larger turbos that are upgrading the rail and sometimes adding a secondary rail. Its my understanding that you guys are only planning on pushing about 10lbs max right? Could the Cobalt injectors flow at a higher rate? If so, using them could be a cheaper solution.
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From what i understand of this, its not the rails thats the problem, they spray fine, its that the high pressure pump cant work fast enough to send the amount of fuel we need. I hope im right? lol. i try to follow these turbo threads but i get lost sometimes.
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Any news on this issue. Any updates?
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Jeff at IPS was trying to get the Audi pump but no luck on that either....
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Ok thank guys for keeping us updated.
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