10-08-2010, 12:27 PM | #141 |
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scrappy doo, this guy lives in the county and is a home owner, he pays property taxes, and surely he buys things in town, therefor he pays sales taxes. what are property taxes for? I can tell you what mine go towards, and thats schools/roads/fire/police services...this 75 dollar fee is a bogus fee to try and scrape more money from its citzens, and regardless of which county, city, state this person lives in..that is what tax payers money goes toward is for the fire department to put out fires! if this fire department can arrive to protect the neighbor, it can arrive to put out the fire, PERIOD...this is one of the few things that our government provides to its citizens, even if it is his own dumb fault for setting his yard on fire, it is common for people to burn thier own trash/leaves, shit happens, fine him extra, put a lein on his house, but PUT OUT THE FIRE.
So with this arguement if my house gets robbed and my family is held hostage, and he didnt pay his property taxes or was late paying them, ooops sorry we aren't sending the police or swat team So with this arguement if I went to the hospital because someone hit me head on and i am dying from blood loss and didnt have insurance...sorry no insurance not helping you. if you were in his shoes and forgot to pay, because other articles says he pays every year, but forgot, you would be screaming for them to put out the fire too...and not sitting here defending the f***ed up system they have in place in tennessee |
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I said I would put it out. BUT I agree with the decision. You gonna FORCE a group of people to pay for another group? I see you would, but I don't agree with it. Quote:
Or maybe you believe the Federal one should be applied here? And don't give me that 'Role Reversal' thing. I said earlier, I'd want help, I'd accept help, I'd be greatful for help. I WOULDN'T BLAME ANYONE BUT MYSELF. I find it equaly ridiculous that some believe that people should be allowed to circumvent the set rules with their own. At the obvious expense of others. Thievery if you ask me. Quote:
And I'm not calling this guy an idiot, or being condecending in any way toward him. I'm just saying he should accept the choice he made. Again, I'd have helped him put out the fire. ANd would help him moving ahead. But he was not wronged here. Under your idea, I can stop supporting everyone. Keep ALL of my money except for my immediate utilities and obligations and if something goes wrong, I can expect someone to come to my aid. Quote:
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In this particular area this fire department covers their county or city. These people live OUTSIDE THE CITY/COUNTY LIMITS in another county or city which means their property taxes do not pay the FD budget. Also their area does not have a fire department so the FD in the adjoining areas offer fire protection service for a fee, basically a fire tax paid directly to the department. Its not a bullshit extra fee. They pay LESS TAXES because they live outside of the district! The fundamental purpose of government is the maintenance of basic security and public order, and yes to protect its citizens from threats. Maybe if you read the article you'd know the homeowner and residents were not threatened they were OUTSIDE the house. Public safety was not threatened, the FD was there, protecting the property surrounding the fire. It wasn't going to spread and burn down the neighborhood. It takes a LOT of perfect circumstances for something like that to happen and a regular house fire generally will not cook the neighborhood 99% of the time. You tout having "operated the truck" a some kind of validation to your argument but you will get no sympathy from me. I'm not gonna get in a pissing contest here with you but you obviously didn't have enough experience when you were there to know how every aspect of running a fire department works, or how a fire behaves. You would also understand that public safety such as EMS or Police protection to PERSONAL INJURY is far different than protection of PROPERTY and this would not have happened if someones LIFE was at stake.
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My firefighting experiance was only enough to know how to operate the controls and aim the hose at the fire, i mostly only fought brush fires, and a handful of house fires..by no means did i claim to be an expert and that was almost 15 years ago anyway...and it was in southern california where fire has always been a huge threat. the bottom line, i understand your side of the arguement, but we can sit here and argue about it till the thread is locked, I won't change my mind. They should have attempted to save this home owners house. |
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I don't think it's broken. There's a $75 bill he didn't pay. Pay that, and you're good to go.
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It's like if you switch your car insurance, but you have a month gap. You get in an accident in that month. You think any insurance is going to cover you? Nope. He didn't buy insurance, no people were in harms way...and there she wrote.
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10-08-2010, 01:29 PM | #148 |
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I have lived in many places in this country, and apparently this is the only place that charges extra to put out fires...this is what property taxes are for PMC, so its not broken when this community has to pay property taxes, get home owners insurance, then pay extra for fire protection? thats rediculous thats what property taxes are for!
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10-08-2010, 01:42 PM | #150 |
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MSG' - If you live in the county but outside the city limits, your property taxes do not always include fire protection. As is the case here, you have to opt-in (for $75) and the nearest fire department will add you to their protection list.
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how is it a violation of anything? They were told they couldn't have service from the fire department if they didn't pay the fee and they chose not to pay the fee. I'm assuming the department showed up to make sure the fire didn't spread anywhere else such as the neighbors house. I say it is their own fault for being a cheap ass.
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10-08-2010, 01:46 PM | #152 |
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skooter, I've already have had to call the fire department out to our street during a tornado, powerlines or lightning caught a tree on fire, and once again at my moms place I caught the yard on fire burning branches,wind caught some embers and it spread past my hoses reach, landed past where i wet the area down. only thing we are required to do is call a 1-800 number before we burn, fire department came and put the fire out, i wasnt fined or charged anything, both in the county, but it was a volunteer station
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If you're going to sign a contract with a fire department, why not just pay the $75? Sure, the fire department could have put out his house fire, and then sent him a bill. Do you really think he would have been legally obligated to pay it? The fire department would never have seen a dime from the guy, all while setting the precedent for everyone in the area that, if you don't pay the $75 fee, we'll still put out your house fire.
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Have you gone and looked at your property taxes? Do they itemize where your money goes to? Typically there will be a line in there somewhere that states you are covered by such-and-such fire department. In the case of this article, it is expressly written that in this area, property taxes do not cover fire protection. I'm betting the property taxes pay for road maintenance and that's about it.
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