GM 3.6 twin turbo.....with hybrid technology!!?? - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

KMPrenger · 08-19-2011, 04:15 PM

Its not a Camaro, its not even in production but its whats under this concept's hood that is very interesting to me...

"The spacious and elegant Ciel is a grand gesture that explores themes driving Cadillac’s explorations into range-topping flagship luxury. It is powered by a twin-turbocharged version of the 3.6-liter Direct Injection V-6 engine, paired with a hybrid system using lithium-ion battery technology."

Via Motortrend forums:
http://forums.motortrend.com/70/8773...ept/index.html

SIXJAK · 08-19-2011, 04:27 PM

Hmmm cool looking concept with an intriguing powerplant. Anymore to woo certain ppl you have to have the buzzword "hybrid" in the press release it seems. The important thing is twin turbo 3.6 and I bet that TT isn't using a Bosch ECU LOL

GretchenGotGrowl · 08-19-2011, 04:53 PM

Well, I hope the engine makes into some production car. If it is good enough for a Caddy, then the rumors about a TT V6 Vette may not be so far fetched.

brandotron · 08-19-2011, 04:55 PM

That boat needs TT to move!

GretchenGotGrowl · 08-19-2011, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brandotron

That boat needs TT to move!

How much does it weight? I must have missed that.

rykeith · 08-19-2011, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

How much does it weight? I must have missed that.

I think it's just a hunch...

This beast does look sick.

esperman · 08-19-2011, 05:14 PM

sweet.

GretchenGotGrowl · 08-19-2011, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rykeith

I think it's just a hunch...

This beast does look sick.

Ah, I see. I was wondering if it might be build on the Alpha platform and maybe give us some idea of what kind of weights we are going to see in the future. It looks big, but I wonder if it is using some of the recent frame/body tech that went into the Z06 to lighten up some. I would be nice if it was less than 3800 lbs, but I guess that's just wishful thinking.

Padre · 08-19-2011, 05:31 PM

I'm also interested in the eAssist technology. The new 2012 Buicks with eAssist will get upwards of 37mpg with it. All it is is a brake-regenerated battery that powers a starter used in acceleration from a stop (something like 100ft-lbs torque). Think about how useful that would be in a V6 Camaro (or even V8) if you can increase the gas mileage by 25%+ without any harm to performance other than some extra weight in the trunk.

Padre

ZNOLMT · 08-19-2011, 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Padre

I'm also interested in the eAssist technology. The new 2012 Buicks with eAssist will get upwards of 37mpg with it. All it is is a brake-regenerated battery that powers a starter used in acceleration from a stop (something like 100ft-lbs torque). Think about how useful that would be in a V6 Camaro (or even V8) if you can increase the gas mileage by 25%+ without any harm to performance other than some extra weight in the trunk.

Padre

I agree. eAssist would be great, because it could be applied to current or future powerplants for extra mileage and extra power with minimal weight increases compared to a full hybrid system.

Li-ion batteries add TONS of weight to cars ... not good for a sports/performance car.

Another great technology is KERS. Porsche uses it in their Le Manz GT3RSR Hybrid. It uses NO batteries, adds over 100 additional HP on demand ... but I think the mileage increases are minimal. Volvo is adding a KERS to their production cars soon, that will work similarly to eAssist.

KMPrenger · 08-19-2011, 06:40 PM

I'm thinking this vehicle itself will never see the light of day besides in this concept form.

Many times, makers will use these concept to show they can do neat stuff design-wise, but also they will add some neat/futuristic tech. They can use the concept to test out the tech which may actually make it into a production vehicle.

So hopefully from this project we will see a TT V6.....and maybe even a hybrid version like if all this pans out, but probably not in a Camaro.

Blade · 08-19-2011, 06:50 PM

Is this the new 3.6 with the built in exhaust manifold? Kinda wondering how they are hooking up a TT to that new engine.

SteveRS · 08-21-2011, 07:21 AM

Its kind of a slap to those who already voided the warranty by adding a TT system.. thats not fair in my opinion.. I dont see how you can have "twin turbo" and "hybrid" in the same sentence.. I can only reference the new Taurus SHO with its TT ECOBOOST engine... but still not classified as a "hybrid" .. looks like a Retro 67 Eldo when i first saw it.. It sucks alot of these CONCEPTs never make it to real production. remember the Cadillac CIEN?? the Cadi-LAMBO.
http://images.wikia.com/gran-turismo...dillacCien.jpg

... I remember the Pontiac RAGEOUS.. that was a sweet lookin car..

Demon Hunter · 08-22-2011, 03:24 PM

Intriguing news indeed. I have an article posted about it on my blog with some more information and details about it:

www.RPMPerformanceBlog.com/CadillacConcept

08-19-2011, 04:15 PM	#1
KMPrenger Drives: 16 Camaro SS, 15 Colorado Join Date: May 2009 Location: Jefferson City, Missouri Posts: 13,949	GM 3.6 twin turbo.....with hybrid technology!!?? Its not a Camaro, its not even in production but its whats under this concept's hood that is very interesting to me... "The spacious and elegant Ciel is a grand gesture that explores themes driving Cadillac’s explorations into range-topping flagship luxury. It is powered by a twin-turbocharged version of the 3.6-liter Direct Injection V-6 engine, paired with a hybrid system using lithium-ion battery technology." Via Motortrend forums: http://forums.motortrend.com/70/8773...ept/index.html __________________ 2016 Camaro 1SS - 8-speed - NPP - Black bowties 2010 Camaro 1LT V6 (Sold. I will miss her!)

08-19-2011, 04:27 PM	#2
SIXJAK Drives: MO's only SC'd LLT. Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Branson MO Posts: 2,574 View My Garage	Hmmm cool looking concept with an intriguing powerplant. Anymore to woo certain ppl you have to have the buzzword "hybrid" in the press release it seems. The important thing is twin turbo 3.6 and I bet that TT isn't using a Bosch ECU LOL __________________ IPF supercharger kit, IPF tune, SW LT's, R. Tech HFC's, ARK DT-S catback, SS Brembo brake upgrade, BC Racing adjustable coilovers, Hurst STS, Pfadt rear arm package, Pfadt adjustable sways & end links, Pfadt diff bushings, BMR rear cradle full kit blk bezels,SS diffuser, Innovate gauges.

08-19-2011, 04:53 PM	#3
GretchenGotGrowl Drives: 11 F150 EB/13 Sonic RS/15 Z06 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Little Rock, AR Posts: 7,129 View My Garage	Well, I hope the engine makes into some production car. If it is good enough for a Caddy, then the rumors about a TT V6 Vette may not be so far fetched. __________________ New Ride -- 2015 Z06 2LZ (stock) -- Journal Old Ride -- 2012 Camaro 2LT/RS (647 RWHP & 726 RWTQ) -- Build Thread

08-19-2011, 04:55 PM	#4
brandotron I am the internets. Drives: dangerously Join Date: May 2009 Location: Redondo Beach, CA Posts: 12,571 View My Garage	That boat needs TT to move! __________________

08-19-2011, 05:31 PM	#9
Padre Only drives on Sundays Drives: '16 2SS A8 NPP MRC NGray Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Dalton, GA Posts: 2,500 View My Garage	I'm also interested in the eAssist technology. The new 2012 Buicks with eAssist will get upwards of 37mpg with it. All it is is a brake-regenerated battery that powers a starter used in acceleration from a stop (something like 100ft-lbs torque). Think about how useful that would be in a V6 Camaro (or even V8) if you can increase the gas mileage by 25%+ without any harm to performance other than some extra weight in the trunk. Padre __________________ OLD HOTNESS: The "Heretic": '11 2SS/RS L99 A6 Black/Inferno. Build Journal, Videos D1SC GT9 JBA-LT = 720/680 \| 10.330 @ 133.61, 1.546 sixty... Camaro King at ECS V, Darlington. NEW HOTNESS: '16 2SS A8 NPP MRC. Bone Stock, 1/8th: 8.051 @ 89.44, 1.919

08-19-2011, 05:14 PM	#7
esperman You Can Call Me Jay Drives: 2010 1LT RJT Manual w/CAI & Solo Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Louisville, KY area Posts: 1,284	sweet.

08-19-2011, 06:40 PM	#11
KMPrenger Drives: 16 Camaro SS, 15 Colorado Join Date: May 2009 Location: Jefferson City, Missouri Posts: 13,949	I'm thinking this vehicle itself will never see the light of day besides in this concept form. Many times, makers will use these concept to show they can do neat stuff design-wise, but also they will add some neat/futuristic tech. They can use the concept to test out the tech which may actually make it into a production vehicle. So hopefully from this project we will see a TT V6.....and maybe even a hybrid version like if all this pans out, but probably not in a Camaro. __________________ 2016 Camaro 1SS - 8-speed - NPP - Black bowties 2010 Camaro 1LT V6 (Sold. I will miss her!)

08-19-2011, 06:50 PM	#12
Blade Drives: 2016 Camaro 2SS BVM Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Charlotte Posts: 4,689 View My Garage	Is this the new 3.6 with the built in exhaust manifold? Kinda wondering how they are hooking up a TT to that new engine. __________________ Formerly owner of: 2012 2SS/RS Build Thread - Totaled by red light runner 2010 LT/RS Build Thread - Traded in for 2012 2SS 2007 Acura TSX 1992 Oldsmobile Achieva V6 1992 Mercury Sable

08-21-2011, 07:21 AM	#13
SteveRS Drives: 2010 SIM Cobalt SS Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Lorain, Ohio Posts: 6,331	Its kind of a slap to those who already voided the warranty by adding a TT system.. thats not fair in my opinion.. I dont see how you can have "twin turbo" and "hybrid" in the same sentence.. I can only reference the new Taurus SHO with its TT ECOBOOST engine... but still not classified as a "hybrid" .. looks like a Retro 67 Eldo when i first saw it.. It sucks alot of these CONCEPTs never make it to real production. remember the Cadillac CIEN?? the Cadi-LAMBO. http://images.wikia.com/gran-turismo...dillacCien.jpg ... I remember the Pontiac RAGEOUS.. that was a sweet lookin car.. __________________ 2011 Imperial Blue 1.5SS 2010 Silver Ice Cobalt SS

08-22-2011, 03:24 PM	#14
Demon Hunter Drives: 2010 Black Camaro LT Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: So Cal Posts: 675 View My Garage	Intriguing news indeed. I have an article posted about it on my blog with some more information and details about it: www.RPMPerformanceBlog.com/CadillacConcept __________________

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