Why do not more people use the Scarallo wheels?

[Nessal]

Well since you asked, I think they look pretty ugly.

[Fiftydriver]

Originally Posted by LS3 SS

Are you a Vendor for Scarillo? Do you make any money by suggesting people to buy the same wheels you have on your car on this forum??

You act as if lots of people are going to change their mind, and retract their statements about how cheap and out of place those wheels look on the car.

I'm sorry, you can cut the cookie any way you like, and dump as much sugar as you want to on it while baking it. But those wheels have been on every kind of body-kitted, lambo doored, underglow lit, fully painted and fiberglassed interior civic, mustang, and sentra for the past almost 10 years. You're not going to be swaying too much judgement on the contrary to what you may think, the wheels speak for themselves.

Dont take this personally, I'm not knocking you at all. But there's a difference between wanting an opinion, getting it, and agreeing to disagree, and then trying to impose your personal taste on people who clearly don't agree with it.

Exactly how does one IMPOSE their personal taste on people on a chat forum???? PLEASE. My comments were only ment that I believe the more people actually see these wheels the more people out there will like them, you just do not see them out there much. All you see is the same old same old.

I have nothing to do with Scarallo other then I bought a set of wheels from them. I am a professional, long range precision firearm manufacturer, NOTHING AT ALL to do with the automotive industry other then a passion of mine, as I am sure it is for you. Stop making accusations my friend that are totally unfounded and silly to be honest.

IF you do not like these wheels, stop coming back to pick fights about them. Or am I imposing my will to make you click on this link over and over.......

[Fiftydriver]

Originally Posted by LSxJunkie

I am no shill for Scarallo, as my previous posts in this thread have made clear. However, the assertion that exposure will help sales absolutely true. There's no such thing as bad press. What IS misguided, however, is the fact that you're doing the exact thing you accuse Fiftydriver of doing.

He likes the look of the wheel and would like to see more people buy them. He's not forcing anyone to change their minds. He just likes the idea that more people will be exposed to these wheels and someone might like them. You, on the other hand, are telling him to keep his opinion to himself because you don't agree with it. The arrogance is staggering. Personally, I think simple 5-spokes with a lip look markedly better than half the gaudy, obnoxious, high dollar wheels I see on this board. And I think your wheels look like hammered dogshit. They're too big, too black, the spokes are too chunky, and the pinstripe is so ricey it hurts. The Time Attack stripe CAME from the import world. But if you wanted to get more exposure for them, I certainly wouldn't tell you to shut up because nobody would change their minds about your awful wheels. Seriously, why are you so offended by the idea that a fan of something you don't like would like to promote it so that other people might like it?

What you want to do is kill exposure so that nobody ever sees these wheels and puts them on a Camaro.

AMEN and EXACTLY!!!

Not sure what the big deal is

[JoeyScarallo]

I have never personally gone on a forum before. That has always been the domain of my staff. But, there has been so much redundant, bogus, mis-information in this thread, that I have to jump in and for once make personal contact myself with the forum world. I do not know of any other owner in the wheel industry who personally goes on forums. But, it is time for me to seperate the FACT from the FICTION, personally.


Like I am sure most of you do, I make a good honest living to feed my family at what I do. I happen to be fortunate enough to earn a living doing what I am passionate about. I am second generation in this business and have seen a lot in this industry, being around this stuff from as early as from when I could walk.

I make an excellent line of wheels and my staff and I pride ourselves at making excellent fitments, that improve cars in how they drive, and in how they look.


If anybody bothers to do some real background check on myself or my company you would learn that I have been racing cars professionally for over 15 years. I have raced everything from open wheel to sedan cars. Trans Am to Indy Lights. I have raced on almost any track that you can mention from Indianapolis to The Long Beach Grand Prix to Watkins Glen. The things that I have learned in car setup for the track are what we carry over into the fitments and products we sell for street cars. I love what I do and I know that what I make improves a vehicle. While style can sometimes be subjective, as there is also a personal taste aspect to what we do, definitely our merchandise improves how a car drives and handles.



For those of you who are not sure if our latest Camaro setup will improve the handling on you Camaro, done take my word for it, ask the people who have bought our wheels.
Better yet, do a little study in the track test done by GM High-Tech Performance Magazine. When the people at GMHT needed a wheel and tire upgrade that would improve there car at the track they called me. Read the article for yourself.
http://www.gmhightechperformance.com...eep/index.html

A little note on what you read in that article. GMHT received the first set produced.






I would like to take a moment and straighten out a few peoples quotes so that anyone reading this can not be misled in the future. Sometimes things don't come across the way you would want, in print, vs actual speaking. I am not looking to belittle anyone, attack anyone, or start an argument. I am only looking to seperate FACT from FICTION, and bring out the TRUTH.

[JoeyScarallo]

Originally Posted by SUX2BU

To be honest they look like old school Mustang Cobra R wheels with that style and the red R in the center cap.

Plus they are really sneaky about the actual weight of these wheels. Every time someone asks they say they will PM them. Makes me think they are REALLY heavy.

Everyone is allowed there own personal taste. This is why Chevy makes Camaros in different colors... I personally do not see a Mustang wheel here. But, to each his own...
The Drift-R logo is a logo we used from when we first made the style and other logos have always been available. As a side note there are optional logos for GM buyers available but we are still waiting for them. (Don't get me started on the woes and time frames of manufacturing...)


Sneaky about wheel weights???? I don't think so.
Nobody who works for me is ever sneaky. Anyone who has ever inquired about wheel weights has always been answered. And answered with a direct number.
I am actually very proud of the weight of our 20" Drift-R wheel. Especially, without having to go to a forging which would cost customers way more then we think the market should bare in this present economy. We managed to ad an entire 2 INCHES to the width of our wheel, allowing for an extra 40MM of tire width, and in doing that we didn't gain a single pound over the factory wheel which only a 9. Our 11 weighs EXACTLY the SAME as the factory 9. That is impressive. Especially, when taking into account, (which unless you are involved in designing wheels you wouldn't know) designing a wheel with a deep lip to cover a big x-factor (caliper protrusion) is not the easiest way to save weight. I can only repeat numbers that our shipping scale gives us, and your own personal scale may vary. But, the factory 9 weighs 31.5 pounds on our scale, and our 20x11 weighs 31.5. Also, just as a reference point, a 20x10 Torque Thrust wheel which is only a 20x10 weighs 31.8 pounds.
So, getting a 2" wider wheel to allow for a 40mm wider tire and not gaining a single pound. That is a huge improvement to performance. No other way to slice it.


Can I make a lighter wheel? Of course.
But then you get into forgings which will cost way more and is not going to fit what most people want to spend. We feel we split the difference quite nicely.

[JoeyScarallo]

Originally Posted by blazzin1

They are too heavy....I don't remember what the exact weight was, but I think they are just as heavy if not slightly more than the OEM wheels. Plus, they are a "cast" wheel.

Wrong. Again, read the post above. Also, 99% of aluminum wheels are cast, a precious small percent of wheel are forged, truly forged. The word "forging" gets used so loosely in our industry these days, it should be a crime. Your factory wheels are cast, and so are 99% of the wheels on the market. "Cast" is not the story. There are castings, and then there are castings. Our wheels are made from A356 alloy and then heat treated to T6. For those of you in the aircraft industry you are familiar with T6. Every airplane you ever flew on is made from an aluminum skeleton and skin that is heat treat to T6. Our wheels are stronger then the factory wheels.

[JoeyScarallo]

Originally Posted by Ravener

I like the black tuxedo/polished ring version...and they're a good width but they're heavier than stock and cost double what you can get 20x10s for elsewhere. If ya have the money then great, if trying to focus on function over form...less than ideal.

Again, this is a wrong statement based on mis-information. I can only best answer this statement with he link from the GMHT track test.

http://www.gmhightechperformance.com...eep/index.html

[JoeyScarallo]

Originally Posted by LSxJunkie

Not a bad design......seeing as they ripped it off, name, center cap, and all (minus the rolled lip), from ROH Wheels from Australia. I've been in contact with ROH and they say it's a carbon copy of their discontinued wheel. I would know. I had a set on my 2006 GTO.









Note what is cast into the wheel at 9 o'clock. Now look at the Scarallo Drift-Rs.



They even refer to their wheels as "Scarallo ROH Drift-R" on the website.

http://scarallomotorsportwheels.com/...=10&Itemid=164

A look at their history on their website, they acknowledge their past history with ROH Wheels, but do not indicate that they are now completely ripping off ROH's design and ROH refers to their wheels as "copies."


I don't know anything about the quality of these wheels, but the intellectual property issue seems so slimy that I don't ever want to do business with such a company.

Having a set of our wheels on your GTO doesn't make you a "specialist" on the history of my company. Not to mention, the factory in Australia has been severly downsized over the years at most if not all of the original staff is long gone from the original days.

Actually, the Drift-R is our design which we had made in the factory in Australia for our market. The fitment for those wheels you have on your GTO if they are 10" rears, was done by myself personally. The Australians could barely muster up enough development to come up with an 8" wide wheel for the Monaro (which is the GTO) We still have people from Australia contacting us looking for the 10" wide GTO wheels.



But, I digress. I really thought that the statements we made on the website regarding what uses we used the ROH factory in Australia for, and the ROH wheels that Americans use here in the U.S. was pretty clear. But, I will explain again. Most of the styles used by the enthusiasts here in America were designed by a Scarallo. All of the killer fitments and sizes that make people want to buy our wheels were and are developed by a Scarallo.

To be brutely honest, it was a mistake my Dad made from day 1, in the beginning days of the Scarallo-ROH collaborations, when he put the ROH name on the wheels we were designing, and not the Scarallo name. But, that is another story for another time. And, has only allowed the crack in the door for peoples legitimate confusion at times.


Yes, some styles the factory in Australia completely designed on there own. And, some styles we designed completely on our own. And, some styles were a collaboration. But, all of the interesting fitments for the American market, came from us in America. (The best example I can give you is what a given car company offers in one country is not always the same as what they offer in another. Ford of Europe has many different cars and is almost a separate company within a company) The factory in Australia could barely muster up the aggressiveness to build a 19x8 or 20x8.5. The ZR-6, which ended up being used by Pontiac on the 1993-1994 Firehawk, was designed by Joe Sr. (That wheel was also later copied and used on the Impala SS 1994-1996). The factory in Australia didn't even know what to put on a Firebird until they called us up in America to ask. Out of the ZR-6 we made the ZS, and out of the ZS we designed the Drift-R.
So, there is no "ripping off" styles. I cant "rip off" my own idea...





Listen people. In conclusion. We are car enthusiasts just like you folks. Not only that, we also are lucky enough to have real racing experience in some of the highest racing events in the country.
I am a second generation "motorhead" in this industry. I have had my diaper changed next to a stack of tires many times before, in my babyhood, back in the day when my Dad was first starting out this business. We eat and breath this stuff more then we should... Many of the fitment ideas we come up with come from what I have learned on the race track as a driver. We are not the only good wheel company out there. But, there are few of us. What makes our products great is a passion for improvement with true function.
And for all the "conspiracy theorists" out there. Please, if you have a question, feel free to call us. If you want the direct answer, just ask..

[Fiftydriver]

Joey,

All I can say is I have your wheels, they kick ASS in looks and function and performance. They bolted on with no issues of any kind, look great, look very high quality(not sure what these guys are seeing that say they look cheap) and are affordable.

If I had to make the decision again, I would make the same exact one. Everyone that looks at the car is simply amazed at how good they look amazing. Went to a local car show this weekend, not entered but a load of people came and looked at the car and out of the 3-4 dozen people I talked to, probably 80% mentioned how great the wheels looked and that "Thats how the camaro SHOULD look!"

I have NEVER had one person say they look cheap or anything other then great and its not because they were being polite, several of these guys looked at a Gen 4 camaro that was parked right next to me and made several comments about things they did not like about that car.

Simply put, the more these wheels are out in front of people, the more people will like them just like everyone that has seen my car in real life and commented to me, they love them.

I do to, great product, thanks for clearing up the weight issue which I knew all along was a NON issue.

[Daily Driver]

[stros]

I had those Cobra R wheels on my 2000 Mustang GT. They were the 1st thing I thought about when I saw these wheels. Nothing against the design at all ..but that red R logo caught my attention and reminded me of those wheels immediately when I saw the Scarallo pics. The Cobra R's definitely didn't have the deep dish - but the spokes do look very similar to me at least on the web.

It's just a suggestion, but to market these wheels to Camaro owners it may be good to come up with a different logo on the pics you've been using on Camaro5. For some reason we all notice these little things:-)

[Fiftydriver]

Not sure why so many get hung up on the red R on the center cap. This is a designation of the model design, not the car the wheels are on. It beams Drift R, not Mustang????

Its like saying you say a Magnuson TVS2300 supercharger on a Mustang 5.0 but then when you saw a Magnuson TVS2300 supercharger on a camaro, it "Just made you think of a Mustang!"

I do not understand this way of thinking but to each their own. Now if there was a big red pony or M on the centercap I could see the connection but I do not understand the link just because they make the same model NAME on different wheels for different makers of cars.

Oh well, guess little things get really hang some people up.

[Mr_Dry_Clutch]

I liked the look but they produced a shimmy in my front tires at about 75. Chevy says there is nothing wrong with my car and putting the factory wheels back on fixed the shimmy. Hmmm maybe the set I got is junk. If some one would like them I'd let em go for $300 plus shipping.

[BigBlock69RS]

Originally Posted by Fiftydriver

Does anyone have any actual numbers that proves a wheel of this weight puts a noticable drag on performance numbers??? I am pretty sure that at my performance level, I would not be able to tell the difference between these wheels and a set of lighter wheels????

The general rule of thumb is for each pound of unsprung weight you remove from the car is worth about 5lbs of sprung weight. Wheel weight will also improve performance as the motor won't have to turn that weight.

Unsprung weight is the key to making your car handle well which is why even a few pounds can make a difference.

http://www.formula1-dictionary.net/unsprung_weight.html

How to make your car handle:
http://books.google.com/books?id=cr4...0ratio&f=false