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The whole "track ready" thing can be interpreted in many ways, to a hardcore racer this thing is far from "track ready", realistically this car wouldn't even cross their mind in the first place. To the average weekend warrior type that isn't really pushing the car to its limits it can easily be mistaken for "track ready". It's an excellent car for the average consumer but for a true car enthusiast it leaves a few bits and peices to be desired, all of which can be addressed by the aftermarket. My thing was when GM hooked me with the moniker this car carried it was a magical moment and I instantly thought of the 9560 ZL1 equipped 69 Camaro. So maybe you can understand my small let down when my trap mph are on the low side, which I'm sure they will improve a little when some cooler weather hits but they will be no where close to its main competition.
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Heat soak tends to be more of a problem on the drag strip, where a vehicle sits after hard runs allowing the engine temperature to rise due to lack of cooling and air flow, than on a road course. At speed on a road course the vehicle's cooling system and air flow help keep the engine temperatures in the proper operating range. Simply because a vehicle exhibits heat soak at the drag strip does not mean that the same vehicle will exhibit significant heat soak issues on a road course.
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I knew of the lacking performance at the stip, but my love of this car makes me deal with the issues and I will mod to get the results I want. If I could buy a new 5th gen now, it would be the 1Le for sure! Your getting the gearing you need, your still at the standard SS weight, your getting a better trans and suspension and better axles! Ultimately I think it's the better bang for the buck, add tires to this car, Boltons and a cam and your going to have a faster lighter car over the Z for less money with none of the standard SS issues.
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You are trying too convince people that GM believes Camaro enthusiasts don't associate the ZL1 name plate with quarter mile performance and its pure nonsense. What do you think the majority of people thought when chevy announced the return of the ZL1, CAN-AM or Road courses? GM is notorious for degrading names for the sake of a buck and they took the holy grail ZL1 name too hype and market the car. It seems you now want to redefine the ZL1 name, since it didn't live up to the hype on the current Camaro. Actually Its the first year run and there is still a possibility that GM can get the heat soak issues worked out and some more tuning on the suspension and we may see quarter mile times drop. Im done with this |
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Big deal about the 69 zl1,,,,,,, I don't really consider it a production car. Only 69 were made, that's not very many !!!!!!
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Yes!!!!!!!well written. How can one not associate the baddest of the bad gm muscle cars with 1/4 mile performance....! I was going to spring for a zl1, but the numbers have made me rethink the whole idea.......I'm out until changes are made and times drop. My 99 z28 ran faster 1/4 mile times than the zl1 with bolt ons and a cam.....it seems like theses high hp numbers are all really just a gm marketing scheme....today's cars are not much faster in a straight line.......... |
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There was no Camaro with a trim designation of ZL1 until 2012. The legendary 1969 9560 COPO Camaro was equipped with a ZL1 engine. as the legendary 1969 9561 COPO Camaro was equipped with an L72 engine. Both vehicles were based on SS Camaros. Quote:
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Why do you think GM developed a new COPO Camaro specifically designed for quarter mile drag racing? Maybe because Camaro enthusiasts associate the 9560 COPO Camaro with drag racing? I haven't redefined anything. I have simply stated the facts of the history of the ZL1 engine. I can't help it if you don't like those historical facts.
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If the quarter mile is your thing, maybe you should have considered the new COPO Camaro.
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Whatever the name, the fact is that you cannot make any car do all things great. They can do a lot of things well, but great requires specialization. GM made the mistake of letting their marketing outrun their engineering. The ZL1 is very good at the big three, 1/4 mile, road course, and daily driver, but that versatility is letting it get beat on the 1/4 and some road courses.
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And to the OP and mods sorry for the super thread hijack. To answer the question if you toss a 550rwhp H.C.I Camaro SS on the 1320 against a stock ZL1, the ZL1 is toast.
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