Milford Proving Grounds meeting / 5thgen thoughts.....

[radz28]

+1

Thanks to you and Father for posting some more information and teasers. All this passion is very reassuring to see; I'm sure we're going to get the car most of us have been looking for.

[Supermans]

Originally Posted by camaro5

Unfortunately, that's way too deep.

This is a poker game and GM is not ready to show any of it's cards, yet.

Spy photos and videos show what looks like an open scoop on some prototypes. We made it clear we want it functional or gone in our feedback to the Camaro team.

b

I agree, make the hood scoop non-functional in the V6/V4 only, but make it functional in the V8 to differentiate it from its lower powered and less expensive siblings... I know the side scoops behind the door are going to be non-functional as was stated in another thread, however I can live with those not being real.. I do hope that in the Top dog camaro SS, that those side scoops along with the hood scoop are real and functional..

[ChrisL]

[garfin]

All’s I can say is what an incredible weekend! Wish I could have posted a bit earlier, but it’s been a whirlwind of family stuff happening since arriving home yesterday…

I can’t decide what impressed me most – the people or the cars!! Others have covered pretty well everything that can be covered in their posts on this board and others and I’d like to echo their positive impressions about the car! We definitely learned a lot this weekend, which reinforces the hopes that we all have about how fantastic this car is going to be. Obviously, certain specifics and facts about the vehicles will be made public by GM when the time is appropriate, (looks like this may be sooner than later!) but I gotta tell ya that these guys and ladies have really done their homework and have gone the extra mile to bring us the car we want! Granted, the car isn’t perfect, but it does what is supposed to do – in spades!

The people involved in the development of this car are passionate car people who are extremely proud of what they’ve achieved – and rightly so. What a tremendous privilege to be able to sit down and talk with all these people in a small group or in a very informal one-on-one setting. Lots of opportunities to do both this weekend. All the team members are great listeners and are truly interested in hearing our input. Brett Vivian, the vehicle line director from Australia and I found ourselves on same flight to Toronto yesterday morning and I asked him what the biggest surprise of the weekend was for him… to which he immediately replied, “You guys are just like us and we better deliver a good car if the passion you have is so strong, that people are putting tattoos on themselves in honor of the car and GM.”

The biggest surprise for me this weekend was the V6 car! It totally blew me away! I think people are gonna just flip when they find out the content of this car, and of course, the performance!! A beautifully balanced machine that is simply amazing… this car, in my opinion, will set a new benchmark for entry level cars in this segment. I’m not a V6 person, yet I was truly flabbergasted! GM is gonna sell a whole whack of these cars and that bodes well for the success of this Camaro since as we are all aware that its success is dependent upon the success of the V6. GM has made sure that there are no doubts about achieving this goal!

The V8 was somewhat less of a surprise, since with all the speculation out there about drivetrains and whatnot, the bar had already been set pretty high in my mind. Certainly no disappointments there… and some pretty cool stuff included as standard equipment as well as optional equipment.

No disappointments either for me in the area of how GM intends to market the car with options and packages – definitely some nice surprises for me there!

... and thanks to all who participated in this by posting your input and suggestions for me to take to the team. What I can say is that is was certainly acknowledged by the team as well as appreciated!

I’d like to say a huge thank you again to GM and the whole team for making this experience happen for us, for listening to the enthusiast community and for having the passion and motivation to bring a car like this to market!

Best regards,

Elie

[TheMadHatter99]

Sooner rather than later?

Now the real question is just how soon is soon?

[Sphinx002]

Originally Posted by garfin

The V8 was somewhat less of a surprise, since with all the speculation out there about drivetrains and whatnot, the bar had already been set pretty high in my mind. Certainly no disappointments there… and some pretty cool stuff included as standard equipment as well as optional equipment.

No disappointments either for me in the area of how GM intends to market the car with options and packages – definitely some nice surprises for me there!

You are just killing me...Surprises for options? AAAAHHHH!

[RSHugger]

Inquiring Minds want to know...

I know that there are a lot of specifics that can not be discussed yet but my big question/concern is interior legroom and headroom. We (the vertically enhanced crowd, say 6'-5" and above) have received some feedback from folks that said they had plenty of head room and legroom in the concept... what was the impression of these in the latest generation? Do I need to get the sawsall out or leave it in the tool box? Great information and impressions from the meeting.

Thanks,
Roger
6'-7"

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by garfin

The biggest surprise for me this weekend was the V6 car! It totally blew me away! I think people are gonna just flip when they find out the content of this car, and of course, the performance!! A beautifully balanced machine that is simply amazing… this car, in my opinion, will set a new benchmark for entry level cars in this segment. I’m not a V6 person, yet I was truly flabbergasted! GM is gonna sell a whole whack of these cars and that bodes well for the success of this Camaro since as we are all aware that its success is dependent upon the success of the V6. GM has made sure that there are no doubts about achieving this goal!

I've got a question that you might be able to answer...

You, and several others (including Scott) have all said how amazing the V6 cars is. Is the performance flabbergasting just because [you can't believe] it's coming out of a V6? Or is it really that fast?

[Sphinx002]

Originally Posted by RSHugger

Inquiring Minds want to know...

I know that there are a lot of specifics that can not be discussed yet but my big question/concern is interior legroom and headroom. We (the vertically enhanced crowd, say 6'-5" and above) have received some feedback from folks that said they had plenty of head room and legroom in the concept... what was the impression of these in the latest generation? Do I need to get the sawsall out or leave it in the tool box? Great information and impressions from the meeting.

Thanks,
Roger
6'-7"

I offered my left nut, and now you offer to saw off your legs...We are dedicated.

[Jay]

oh my gawd........... im never reading anything in this thread again.... the agony and suspense.... somebody.... please just tell us the real deal, LOL.

Im just kidding though...dont wanna get anyone in trouble... but there is one thing I wanna know... did you guys see the production interior or one close to it.... and what did you guys think of it overall (quality, setup, etc...)???

If Chris or Garfin you could...that would be awesome, if not, its okie too.... i get it.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by TheMadHatter99

Sooner rather than later?

Now the real question is just how soon is soon?

I'm gonna guess mid August, give or take a month.

Originally Posted by Sphinx002

You are just killing me...Surprises for options? AAAAHHHH!

Sounds like the title of a new speculation thread. Time is running out for us to make new guesses on things.

Originally Posted by RSHugger

Inquiring Minds want to know...

I know that there are a lot of specifics that can not be discussed yet but my big question/concern is interior legroom and headroom. We (the vertically enhanced crowd, say 6'-5" and above) have received some feedback from folks that said they had plenty of head room and legroom in the concept... what was the impression of these in the latest generation? Do I need to get the sawsall out or leave it in the tool box? Great information and impressions from the meeting.

Thanks,
Roger
6'-7"

I think we have been told that there will be enough space to acomodate everyone.

[warbird81]

is that the v6 or 8 in the picture?

[ChrisL]

The black/white car is a V8 auto. There were two there for us to drive. We saw a thrid on the grounds. They are early mules (IVER cars) with roughed in interiors. These are the cars we've been seeing spy pics of.

There were 4 production intent cars there for us to see - red, black, silver, and a 4th color we were told not to disclose. Nearly production ready interiors. They have some minor things to tweak still. To give you an idea of the details sweating, one of the items left to address is the feel and action of the radio controls.

The V6 production intent car is the only of those 4 we got to drive.

The fit, finish, materials - all were superb to me.

The tallest in our group is 6'2". He had no issues fitting in and being comfortable.

[RSHugger]

Originally Posted by Sphinx002

I offered my left nut, and now you offer to saw off your legs...We are dedicated.

Not quite what I had in mind for the sawsall... Have you asked you wife if she will let you get you nuts back from her to trade with Scott for the inside info? Mine said no...

[warbird81]

thanks chris, i know its hard to keep all that information to yourself so if you need someone to talk to, im here for ya buddy . no really,that is cool that the team is that involved in the car. i am happy to say that i own an older camaro that will soon have a little brother:seesaw: my wife tells me that i have a problem because i have been on the site every night looking for more info. it feels good to hear that the people responsible for my obsession are just as obsessed.

[warbird81]

i was thinking that the car at the ring was the ss or the big dog because the car in the photo dose not have the brembos.

[ToneyTone]

Originally Posted by garfin

The biggest surprise for me this weekend was the V6 car! It totally blew me away! I think people are gonna just flip when they find out the content of this car, and of course, the performance!! A beautifully balanced machine that is simply amazing… this car, in my opinion, will set a new benchmark for entry level cars in this segment. I’m not a V6 person, yet I was truly flabbergasted! GM is gonna sell a whole whack of these cars and that bodes well for the success of this Camaro since as we are all aware that its success is dependent upon the success of the V6. GM has made sure that there are no doubts about achieving this goal!

Now, being a person that drives a 98' SS if the V-6 gets this kind of reaction, there is no way 260hp will do that. And I too believe there will be all 304hp available at launch. If not ,then something is truely wrong with you garfin.

[fbodfather]

to give you an idea about details --

The folks loved the speedo/tach gages -- they thought we did a great job....but the ones they saw are still not the final products -- we're gonna improve the appearance.............

Details, details............

[warbird81]

i think the fourth color is bumble bee buzz buzz as you can tell i love that color

[Scotsman]

Originally Posted by fbodfather

to give you an idea about details --

The folks loved the speedo/tach gages -- they thought we did a great job....but the ones they saw are still not the final products -- we're gonna improve the appearance.............

Details, details............

Amazing! Thanks to all the disciples that have come in here to fill us in and of course Scott and team who have bought us the goods! I'm elated to hear the V6 is as good as you guys are making it out to be, and I have no doubt GM didn't pull a winner on this one as I have driven the SigmaII CTS(which you all know I was blown away by, it's better than a freak'n BMW 3 series!), a literal run-away success.

[Captain Awesome]

Originally Posted by fbodfather

to give you an idea about details --

The folks loved the speedo/tach gages -- they thought we did a great job....but the ones they saw are still not the final products -- we're gonna improve the appearance.............

Details, details............

Does that mean major changes like using a new font or going with 10MPH increments? Or are we talking about some little thing like painting the needles a brighter color?

[Scotsman]

I read on 5thgen.org that there are visual distinctions between the V6 and V8, I hope that doesn't include the absence of the cowl and air in let on the hood for the V6. I'll be heartbroken if that's the case.

[warbird81]

did you guys see the top dog. just asking

[Supermans]

Originally Posted by warbird81

i was thinking that the car at the ring was the ss or the big dog because the car in the photo dose not have the brembos.

Where gonna soon find out the car in "The Ring" that we saw was indeed the V6

[ToneyTone]

Originally Posted by Supermans

Where gonna soon find out the car in "The Ring" that we saw was indeed the V6

That would be funny.