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MonteSS · 10-03-2014, 08:03 PM

I'll actually be in Stl a few weeks from now.

I have a procharged 1SS and it's a lot of power.
If I had another 10K in my budget I would have done a ZL1 without any hesitation.

If you can't find another supercharged SS before then send me a PM and we can take her for a ride

Forgot to mention - you keep your warranty on your ZL1, but if you supercharge a new car you don't have one. The drivetrain on a ZL1 is more suited to handle FI as well.

Hope this helps!

Indydriver · 10-03-2014, 08:33 PM

ZL1. And I say that as someone who factory ordered a 2014 2SS/RS then put another $6k into various performance mods that netted another 50 hp + wheels and tires. The Magno-shocks can only be had on the ZL1 and you won't need any perf mods. So, there you go. Easy choice.

CCMADONNA · 10-03-2014, 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indydriver

ZL1. And I say that as someone who factory ordered a 2014 2SS/RS then put another $6k into various performance mods that netted another 50 hp + wheels and tires. The Magno-shocks can only be had on the ZL1 and you won't need any perf mods. So, there you go. Easy choice.

i concur and I only put in $3k into my mods.

krisprz2010camaross · 10-03-2014, 08:56 PM

If the zl1 was available in 2010 hands down i would have gotten that instead of my 2ss/RS

-"Ride or Die."

SeaCompiler · 10-03-2014, 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flyinlow89

This.
Plus supercharging a new SS instead of buying a ZL1 is moronic IMO because aside the other features(bigger brakes, magnetic suspension, etc) the ZL1 will still carry warranty. SUpercharge an SS and that (and very possibly reliability) is out the window.

+1. Mag ride, brakes, wheels, launch control.............

Dubscamaro · 10-03-2014, 09:12 PM

ZL1 all day.

ZL1_TA · 10-03-2014, 11:29 PM

2013 ZL1 would be my choice, don't like the 2014+ tail and 2012 doesn't have the touch screen.
Most of the advantages have been mentioned but there are some things to consider that are small but things to think about.

1. Hand wash only... no drive though car washes
2. Clearance. Easy to scrape the front depending on where you drive
also if not careful some speed bumps will get you.
3. Ride, guessing a little stiffer than a SS. would not like if had to drive on
rough roads often or hit a lot of speed bumps
4. Stock tires are no good in the cold... slick at 50 and below
5. Expect to go through tires... I tend to light them up often just daily
driving.
6. Expect to drive faster, it's just too easy
7. Some passengers will scream and tell you to stop doing that
8. Availability, lot more out there now but few when I was looking

Other than that it's perfect, find one and buy it!

pistol_pete · 10-03-2014, 11:42 PM

The timing on this thread is clutch because I am actually going out tomorrow to see two camaros: 2015 1LE and a 2013 CPO ZL1 w/ 3k miles.

Tough, tough decision.

Indydriver · 10-04-2014, 03:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pistol_pete

The timing on this thread is clutch because I am actually going out tomorrow to see two camaros: 2015 1LE and a 2013 CPO ZL1 w/ 3k miles.

Tough, tough decision.

Unless you are really going to track your car on a regular basis, you will get much more daily

from a ZL1. While 426 stock HP sounds like a lot, you will quickly find it needing some help--and in CA, you cannot mod LTs, which are essential for making power out of a NA LS3. Problem solved by the factory for all CA residents: LSA.

And if I lived in CA, I would definitely get a convertible. Hell, I did and I live in Indiana. I'll never consider a fixed roof Camaro again. I did have to buy a $20,000 mod for the Camaro though--a used Tahoe--so she could become a garage queen in winter.

Bulldog3071 · 10-04-2014, 05:47 AM

ZL1 you will you got after some time with the SS

street-ride · 10-04-2014, 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pistol_pete

The timing on this thread is clutch because I am actually going out tomorrow to see two camaros: 2015 1LE and a 2013 CPO ZL1 w/ 3k miles.

Tough, tough decision.

I am right there with you. With the response of this thread, I am leaning ZL1. I appreciate everybody's input!

Absolutemayhem LMAO on banning me to V-6.

SSteven · 10-04-2014, 08:10 AM

Used Zl1...wish I would have gone this route. I may still at some point.

christianchevell · 10-04-2014, 08:56 AM

Its more in what you want than you know....you say a garage queen yet it may just turn out to be the what you want is not what you get........... The driving is addictive, so is the modding. Sure you will start with a 580 h.p. supercharged lsa engine with the 1.9 liter supercharger.... then well how about a pulley change..up the power etc and a few thousand later...a new intercooler and a ac/ r/x chiller and then why not a bigger supercharger and ...... For me knowing I could get the zl1 or a 2ss I got what I wanted a 2ss... mine is a daily driver road trip car and its naturally aspirated with about 550 hp flywheel and 500 torque so far. Its plenty fine and I am on building the rear end now. And if your thinking of trading it in you will of course be at least flushing five grand in a couple years. Also summer only tires are really summer only tires when you step away from the Pirellis and really more so in your location. And as I said a few thousand (5 with tune dyno etc...)and your tune good with cam and headers and a good cai your around the stock power of the zl1 and do not have to worry about the supercharging, sure handling is a nice thing but I was always looking at having to change the tires right away here in rainy Oregon for a zl1 to be my daily..... and yes you will be wishing all winter long you could drive the zl1......
Its more in all what you want more than anything, and a reason why you do not see more zl1's on the street... but more ss. And BTW yes I am building my rear end and suspension and it will be better than a 1le if not already in handling and made more to withstand the power I put to the ground without doing one legged burnouts or wheel hopping my rear axles to death. And I imagine it gets pretty nasty in the winter up there.... oh and yes 45 for a used zl1 with only 6k on the odometer is going to be very hard to find and who knows how hammered on, and the warranty ...... this is my second 2ss so for three years I have owned gen fives.... never a problem ..one a vert l99 one a coupe ls3....the recalls for stuff...never anything that important after they ironed out stuff in the early model year... so get over twenty MPG like me on the freeway going 80.... and 12-13 stoplight to stop light around town after mods or going to zl1 will cost you even more in gas mileage compared to a stock ss mileage ....and yes you will want to drive it all the time...... as another lesser vehicle is a rotten red headed step child..... I drive a front wheel drive Malibu 2012 once a year when its too deep of snow...... lol yes it has a few thousand miles on it thanks to our daughter learning to drive something............ Its all in what you want, whats more practical may not be what you really want but.... its better in the long run to be right about a choice than wishing you had done something else. And frankly zl1s are supposed to be around 60k for a good one with good options..... A 2ss with all the options 40.... ANd the most buildable of new modern muscle cars right off the bat. If your a motor head your into that stuff, if not...... the warranty will run out someday.

RoadMonkey · 10-04-2014, 09:19 AM

If I said that I missed my ZL1, would that help you decide? If you don't stress amount dollars... Enjoy your ZL1 !!!

10-03-2014, 08:33 PM	#30
Indydriver Drives: '14 2SS/RS Vert 6M/KTU/NPP/DTA/ARH Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 2,826	ZL1. And I say that as someone who factory ordered a 2014 2SS/RS then put another $6k into various performance mods that netted another 50 hp + wheels and tires. The Magno-shocks can only be had on the ZL1 and you won't need any perf mods. So, there you go. Easy choice. __________________ Consensus is, by definition, a lack of leadership.

10-03-2014, 08:56 PM	#32
krisprz2010camaross Drives: 2010 Camaro 2ss/Rs Transformers Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Yorba Linda, California Posts: 1,564	If the zl1 was available in 2010 hands down i would have gotten that instead of my 2ss/RS -"Ride or Die." __________________ YouTube:Krisprz garage Insta:kris__perez & krisprz_garage LS3 conversion Vararam intake(tune model) Kooks LT headers & cats delete Corsa ZL1 3" exhaust RedBarn Racing Tune CMS Stage 3 Cam AFR CNC ported heads MSD Spark plug wires LNC-2000 Launch controller NGK TR6 Spark Plugs 1le strut tower brace-TPIS spacers Nick Williams 102mm throttle body Fast lsxr 102 intake manifold Slp 25% UDP Katech Tensioner Pulley Circle D 3600-3700 multi disk Stall GM 3.91 gears DDS carbon fiber driveshaft ZL1 fuel pump & injectors Flex fuel sensor(91/E85) https://wheelwell.com/kris-perez

10-03-2014, 09:12 PM	#34
Dubscamaro Living Life in MPH. Drives: 15 Summit White 2SS 1LE Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Arizona Posts: 1,114 View My Garage	ZL1 all day. __________________ Devon W.

10-04-2014, 05:47 AM	#38
Bulldog3071 Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS LS3 Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Kernersville, NC Posts: 931 View My Garage	ZL1 you will you got after some time with the SS __________________ Hurst Short Throw Shifter, K&N CAI, SRP Racing Pedals, GM Performance Exhaust, GM GFX Package Lakewood Strut Tower Brace, JBA Shorty Headers, JBA 8 MM Wires, Airaid TB Spacer, Phastek CAI Scoop, Washer Bottle Relocation Kit, Stainlees Steel Brake Lines, Brake Performance Slotted and Drilled Rotors, BMR Tunnel Brace, BMR Trailing Arms, BMR Subframe Connectors, Borla ATAK Muffelers, Z28 Wickerbill Spoiler, VTC, Bow Tie Delete, BMR Adjustable Front Swaybar, BMR End Link Kit, BMR Extreme Rear Anti-Roll Kit, Diablo I1000 "InTune"

10-04-2014, 08:10 AM	#40
SSteven Drives: 2013 ZL1 Black Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Dallas Posts: 411	Used Zl1...wish I would have gone this route. I may still at some point. __________________ 2013 ZL1 (purchased 3/2017 with 5k miles) - Black/Auto/Nav/Sunroof/Rotofab CAI/RDP tuned/1 7/8" LT Speed Engineering Headers w/TSP HF Cats/NPP with 3-way control switch/HD-Link Previous Camaro (sold 11/2015): 2012 2SS - Auto/RS/Black/Sunroof/MyLink Nav/SP 1 7/8" LT Headers w/HF Cats/Hybrid SW Retro Catback w/Borla Pro XS Mufflers/ADM Dyno Tune/C.A.I. CAI/Vmax Spiral Ported Throttle Body/APEX Catch Can/275x4 Squared Wheel Setup/Custom Fit Full Size Spare/Ceramic Tint Replaced with 2013 Black Dodge Charger SRT8

10-03-2014, 08:03 PM	#29
MonteSS Drives: 2010 1SS M6 Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Columbia, MO Posts: 168	I'll actually be in Stl a few weeks from now. I have a procharged 1SS and it's a lot of power. If I had another 10K in my budget I would have done a ZL1 without any hesitation. If you can't find another supercharged SS before then send me a PM and we can take her for a ride Forgot to mention - you keep your warranty on your ZL1, but if you supercharge a new car you don't have one. The drivetrain on a ZL1 is more suited to handle FI as well. Hope this helps!

10-03-2014, 11:29 PM	#35
ZL1_TA Drives: 2013 ZL1 Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: CA Posts: 22	2013 ZL1 would be my choice, don't like the 2014+ tail and 2012 doesn't have the touch screen. Most of the advantages have been mentioned but there are some things to consider that are small but things to think about. 1. Hand wash only... no drive though car washes 2. Clearance. Easy to scrape the front depending on where you drive also if not careful some speed bumps will get you. 3. Ride, guessing a little stiffer than a SS. would not like if had to drive on rough roads often or hit a lot of speed bumps 4. Stock tires are no good in the cold... slick at 50 and below 5. Expect to go through tires... I tend to light them up often just daily driving. 6. Expect to drive faster, it's just too easy 7. Some passengers will scream and tell you to stop doing that 8. Availability, lot more out there now but few when I was looking Other than that it's perfect, find one and buy it!

10-03-2014, 11:42 PM	#36
pistol_pete Drives: 2015 Camaro 2SS 1LE Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: on the track Posts: 83	The timing on this thread is clutch because I am actually going out tomorrow to see two camaros: 2015 1LE and a 2013 CPO ZL1 w/ 3k miles. Tough, tough decision.

10-04-2014, 08:56 AM	#41
christianchevell old school chevy rodder Drives: 2013 2SS/RS Manual,DM exhaust,CRT Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Oregon Posts: 5,587 View My Garage	Its more in what you want than you know....you say a garage queen yet it may just turn out to be the what you want is not what you get........... The driving is addictive, so is the modding. Sure you will start with a 580 h.p. supercharged lsa engine with the 1.9 liter supercharger.... then well how about a pulley change..up the power etc and a few thousand later...a new intercooler and a ac/ r/x chiller and then why not a bigger supercharger and ...... For me knowing I could get the zl1 or a 2ss I got what I wanted a 2ss... mine is a daily driver road trip car and its naturally aspirated with about 550 hp flywheel and 500 torque so far. Its plenty fine and I am on building the rear end now. And if your thinking of trading it in you will of course be at least flushing five grand in a couple years. Also summer only tires are really summer only tires when you step away from the Pirellis and really more so in your location. And as I said a few thousand (5 with tune dyno etc...)and your tune good with cam and headers and a good cai your around the stock power of the zl1 and do not have to worry about the supercharging, sure handling is a nice thing but I was always looking at having to change the tires right away here in rainy Oregon for a zl1 to be my daily..... and yes you will be wishing all winter long you could drive the zl1...... Its more in all what you want more than anything, and a reason why you do not see more zl1's on the street... but more ss. And BTW yes I am building my rear end and suspension and it will be better than a 1le if not already in handling and made more to withstand the power I put to the ground without doing one legged burnouts or wheel hopping my rear axles to death. And I imagine it gets pretty nasty in the winter up there.... oh and yes 45 for a used zl1 with only 6k on the odometer is going to be very hard to find and who knows how hammered on, and the warranty ...... this is my second 2ss so for three years I have owned gen fives.... never a problem ..one a vert l99 one a coupe ls3....the recalls for stuff...never anything that important after they ironed out stuff in the early model year... so get over twenty MPG like me on the freeway going 80.... and 12-13 stoplight to stop light around town after mods or going to zl1 will cost you even more in gas mileage compared to a stock ss mileage ....and yes you will want to drive it all the time...... as another lesser vehicle is a rotten red headed step child..... I drive a front wheel drive Malibu 2012 once a year when its too deep of snow...... lol yes it has a few thousand miles on it thanks to our daughter learning to drive something............ Its all in what you want, whats more practical may not be what you really want but.... its better in the long run to be right about a choice than wishing you had done something else. And frankly zl1s are supposed to be around 60k for a good one with good options..... A 2ss with all the options 40.... ANd the most buildable of new modern muscle cars right off the bat. If your a motor head your into that stuff, if not...... the warranty will run out someday. __________________ 2021 Wild Cherry ZL1 A10, Sunroof, Data, Carbon, Nav, RotoFab Dry CAI, Elite x2, Borla ATK, Driveshaft shop

10-04-2014, 09:19 AM	#42
RoadMonkey that's how we do it Drives: '20 ZL1 / A10 Shadow Gray Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: South Carolina Posts: 373 View My Garage	If I said that I missed my ZL1, would that help you decide? If you don't stress amount dollars... Enjoy your ZL1 !!! __________________ ..."It's All Good" -Todd formerly maddog360 -drives: '20 ZL1/A10 Shadow Gray -rides: Harley-Davidson FLHRSE5 110ci-aka Road King [COLOR=#ff0000][COLOR=black]'02 Camaro SS/SLP 6spd