Lingenfelter vs. Hennessey

[ravensjeff]

Originally Posted by Youngone

To what you first said. I'm running 8lbs of boost paid a third of what yall paid, I gained gas mileage, and still putting to the wheels what yall do. Edit: not trying to start anything, just saying.

No, I think you make a good point. But the point I was trying to make is that if you & I did 10 WOT runs at the strip in one day; 1) You would lose and 2) You would be trailering your ride home while I'd be driving to the local establishment for a few cold beers. This really has nothing to do with ECS or LPE; it is what your entire build consists of. But if you do not plan on driving your car hard, then builds such as yours is fine for 95% of the people doing them. Driving at WOT is a whole other story.

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by mlee

OK, didn't know you were forging the bottom end. I guess that means you will be transporting or driving the car there. I've spent a lot of time at the HPE shop and like Black Market said they are top notch. Same with the folks at LPE. But, there's still a whole lot to be said about having a shop like FSP in your area do the work at half the price and being able to easily connect with them any time you need. Magnuson offers the 3/yr 36000 that can be done at any of their distributors.

FSP has an ECS supercharged car here in Houston at 900 rwhp on stock bottom end. Car has 70k miles on it too.

Hmmmmm........I think I know who you are talking about.

[Youngone]

Originally Posted by ravensjeff

No, I think you make a good point. But the point I was trying to make is that if you & I did 10 WOT runs at the strip in one day; 1) You would lose and 2) You would be trailering your ride home while I'd be driving to the local establishment for a few cold beers. This really has nothing to do with ECS or LPE; it is what your entire build consists of. But if you do not plan on driving your car hard, then builds such as yours is fine for 95% of the people doing them. Driving at WOT is a whole other story.

I tend to run my car and enjoy it, but i do agree that your car is on a much larger and better build standard than mine is. You will win at the track from all the other extras that you have on it also. But you are paying a little extra in there for the name. That's the point I was getting at. But yes, it is A nice package, but I believe it could be done cheaper if you didn't go through them, then again I only have a 1yr warranty and you have 3/36. To each his own though

[ravensjeff]

Originally Posted by Youngone

I tend to run my car and enjoy it, but i do agree that your car is on a much larger and better build standard than mine is. You will win at the track from all the other extras that you have on it also. But you are paying a little extra in there for the name. That's the point I was getting at. But yes, it is A nice package, but I believe it could be done cheaper if you didn't go through them, then again I only have a 1yr warranty and you have 3/36. To each his own though

But your kind of build is good enough for most people who want some extra power and don't plan on driving at WOT. Most people cannot afford builds like mine, so yours is more the norm that should be done. By the way, I am definitely not rich. No where near it. Just in a very good place with both wife & I working decent jobs (And still do) for the past 30 years.

The OP appeared to want to build something more along the lines with how I did mine. I think the responses in this thread has helped him along, including yours.

[CamaroCracka]

Just to be clear, the world is full of 650hp ls powered cars on stock bottom ends that regularly spend their days at the track and drive home, hopefully not having a few beers in the process. Lingenfelter is good; they are not gods.

Honestly, 650hp Camaros can get their azz tore out the frame by a blown 4 banger or rotary in the right car.

To each his own.

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by E.T.

Honestly, I wouldn't do either. Both are way overpriced, IMO. You're paying for a name. Call up the guys at Livernois Motorsports. They'll get you the same power for a lot less $$$. They'll also come and pick up your car in an enclosed trailer.

BOOM!

That is the truth!

[Youngone]

Originally Posted by ravensjeff

But your kind of build is good enough for most people who want some extra power and don't plan on driving at WOT. Most people cannot afford builds like mine, so yours is more the norm that should be done. By the way, I am definitely not rich. No where near it. Just in a very good place with both wife & I working decent jobs (And still do) for the past 30 years.

The OP appeared to want to build something more along the lines with how I did mine. I think the responses in this thread has helped him along, including yours.

You keep mentioning WOT... I'm sure mine runs pretty damn good at WOT.

[stratman2SSRS]

Another thing to consider?
Not that I'm thinking of selling my car anytime soon, BUT, possibly one of the more well known names may make selling the car alot easier and you will probably get more money back into your pocket.
The 3 year warranty on the engine is confidence behind the work, and confidence behind the wheel when running 145mph down a runway strip, or back straight on the road course.
BTW 145mph in 4th gear!!!

[CamaroCracka]

I would certainly be willing to pay more for a Lingenfelter or Livernois built car, even a few others. Homebuilt always has more risk.

[E.T.]

Originally Posted by Andy@Livernois

Thanks for the recommendation!

We definitely pride ourselves on being a huge value, while offering more capabilities than anyone else in the industry!

Of course we would be please if the OP would take a look at what we have to offer!

No prob. I am still blown away every time I drive me car, thanks to you guys

[jmargaglione]

Not to take this awesome discussion into the mundane, but what does putting 650hp under the hood do to your insurance premiums? Or is that something you mention AFTER you wrap it around a tree?

I'm in Texas, so I was originally looking at Hennessey, but after this thread I'm thinking LTE all the way. Wonder if they will come get the car - 18h+ drive.

Decisions, decisions.

[MrChrisLS3]

Originally Posted by stratman2SSRS

Another thing to consider?
Not that I'm thinking of selling my car anytime soon, BUT, possibly one of the more well known names may make selling the car alot easier and you will probably get more money back into your pocket.
The 3 year warranty on the engine is confidence behind the work, and confidence behind the wheel when running 145mph down a runway strip, or back straight on the road course.
BTW 145mph in 4th gear!!!

This was my thought to. This depends on your future intentions for the car. If you plan to keep and drive it for a long time, then going to a good local shop won't hurt. Just do some research, and have multiple conversations, and solid plan for what you want out of the car. Some of these performance shops have some real talent and can get you everything the name shops can at half the price...and some don't and can't.

The good thing about LPE, Hennessy,Livernois et al. is the fact they have the performance "packages". This means a couple of things, one that they don't just bolt on an SC and call it a day. These packages address improving the whole car, and not to be overlooked, are tried and true for the application. The important thing is to talk to them via pone and e-mail and get exact specs an exactly what their product entails.

I can't speak for the shops mentioned, but another name is Callaway. They have a very close relationship with GM, sell many performance products through dealerships, and those dealerships are trained on servicing these vehicles. Just a thought.

[NC_SS]

Both are ridiculously over priced

I've also read some horror stories about people who take their car to Hennessey for work

[JD_Alaska]

Originally Posted by zr1chris

I'd never get anything from John Hennessey after seeing this...

http://www.300cforums.com/forums/gen...2/topics/21978

Dang!!!!!! Thanks for the post
Had no clue this was going on