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rontammy0 · 07-22-2016, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Snoman

VIN is 100% legit, apologies if you got lost in the conversation somehow. The idea they are selling you something new, today, right now, that didn't exist yesterday, last week or last month is the lie. ...and their excuse to have yet another 2% price increase.

Yep still lost. ....going back to the "why didn't I get a v8" thread. Gonna chirp failshift and superfly.

rontammy0 · 07-22-2016, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 91Zman

it's simple....pricing is too damn high...they used to say it's a poor man's corvette....well it's now on par with one in price and most are now deciding to get that corvette instead. I'm definitely not going to pay 50k for a Camaro.

My 5th gen was 50k new. The 6th gen is 60k.

havelegs · 07-22-2016, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by vikingrinn

ok, i'll bite.

fans/owners/producers of the 6th gen are going to perhaps be a little defensive in their responses, understandably, but there are some objective truths playing out since the core markets initial reaction to the 6th gen unveiling:

1.) the 5th gen... 'updates' in '14/'15 were in the wrong styling direction...
2.) this... 'global' look continued further with the redesign of the 6th gen...
3.) product performance is evolutionary, but it's pricing is getting ridiculous...

The 14 redesign is fantastic and the best looking c5 model change.

ron123 · 07-22-2016, 09:31 PM

CNN - Money
"The good times are rolling at General Motors, as the once troubled automaker reported record profits Thursday.
GM, the nation's largest automaker, reported $2.9 billion in profit in the second quarter. That was more than double what it made a year ago. Strong sales in both the United States and China lifted sales and earnings.

And the company said it expects good times to continue, even as some analysts have worried that U.S. car sales may have topped out in recent months, industry-wide. GM gave a rosier outlook for 2016 following its quarterly results.
Shares of GM jumped more than 5% in premarket trading on the news."
=========

Looks like they'll have plenty of cash in reserve to bring the new Z28 in to production as planned.

PDXSSCE · 07-22-2016, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by havelegs

The 14 redesign is fantastic and the best looking c5 model change.

Nor Cal ZL1 · 07-23-2016, 09:54 AM

The average 5th gen owner see's no reason to switch to the 6th.
Not many like the styling.
The car is lighter, only because it is smaller.

The car is targeted at an age grouo that is more likely to buy a Prius, or in the future an Autononmous car. That age group will never spend that much money on a car, they would rather Uber, driving is not important to most of them.

GM's rather weak advertisement team is having more fun playing pokemon, than actually producing commercials that show case cars as something that are fun to drive, not trying to convince us that emoji's are a good indicator that a car is cool. They need epic commercials, not rainbow, and unicorn PC everyone is happy as a puppy dog commercial.

Gm has too many millennials working there.

TDevilsG · 07-23-2016, 11:22 AM

They are way too expensive. No interest in a 2ss camaro beyond 35k which was what they were when I originally bought mine a couple of years back. They have outpriced their core fanbase. And with all time high sales on the 5th generation, it would have to take a killer deal to have people trade in a three year old car (unless it's end of lease). The difference in what is owed would be huge.

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PDXSSCE · 07-23-2016, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Nor Cal ZL1

GM's rather weak advertisement team is having more fun playing pokemon, than actually producing commercials that show case cars as something that are fun to drive, not trying to convince us that emoji's are a good indicator that a car is cool. They need epic commercials, not rainbow, and unicorn PC everyone is happy as a puppy dog commercial.

Gm has too many millennials working there.

91Zman · 07-23-2016, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by rontammy0

My 5th gen was 50k new. The 6th gen is 60k.

Mine,though being a 1SS,was a shade under 32k with 12 miles on it off the lot.I didnt realize the SS was that high! No wonder sales are falling.

Snoman · 07-23-2016, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 91Zman

it's simple....pricing is too damn high...they used to say it's a poor man's corvette....well it's now on par with one in price and most are now deciding to get that corvette instead. I'm definitely not going to pay 50k for a Camaro.

The '17-'18 Vette is slated for $90k-$150k and 750+ hp, you won't have to wait but 18 mo and the Camaro will be the "poor man's vette" again.

91Zman · 07-23-2016, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Snoman

The '17-'18 Vette is slated for $90k-$150k and 750+ hp, you won't have to wait but 18 mo and the Camaro will be the "poor man's vette" again.

Uh,that's not going to be the base price Vette which is what I'm talking about.

PDXSSCE · 07-04-2018, 03:12 PM

Ford Mustang Leads Dodge Challenger after Q2, Camaro Continues to Struggle

Camaro sold at a rate of 40k+ units annually in the early 2000's, before it was discontinued; the F-body platform was only shared with the Firebird.

Sales are on pace to drop to 50k+ units in 2018, the lowest volume since then; the Cadillac CTS & ATS, with whom it shares the Alpha platform, have been discontinued.

My guess is that the 7th generation Camaro will share the Alpha II platform with the upcoming CT5. Hopefully, they'll both be successful.

102SS · 07-05-2018, 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by 91Zman

Mine,though being a 1SS,was a shade under 32k with 12 miles on it off the lot.I didnt realize the SS was that high! No wonder sales are falling.

I wish we paid US prices,Ron is using Canadian pricing as thats where we are from.

68k for a loaded 2SS up here.

Gordo-D · 07-05-2018, 08:09 AM

Cant even look at buying new over here, a nearly new 2017 2.0 Camaro with 3k on the clock is £29,995 that's around $40,000 and a brand new V8 Coupe [L99] is £39,185 that's around $52k,

I am seeing a lot of brand new Mustangs though.

07-22-2016, 09:31 PM	#46
ron123 Drives: 2014 2SS/RS Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 1,053	CNN - Money "The good times are rolling at General Motors, as the once troubled automaker reported record profits Thursday. GM, the nation's largest automaker, reported $2.9 billion in profit in the second quarter. That was more than double what it made a year ago. Strong sales in both the United States and China lifted sales and earnings. And the company said it expects good times to continue, even as some analysts have worried that U.S. car sales may have topped out in recent months, industry-wide. GM gave a rosier outlook for 2016 following its quarterly results. Shares of GM jumped more than 5% in premarket trading on the news." ========= Looks like they'll have plenty of cash in reserve to bring the new Z28 in to production as planned. __________________ 2014 2SS/RS, Z28 CAI and High Wing Spoiler, ZL1 5.1:1 Ratio Short-Throw Shifter, ZL1 Pedals, ZL1 splash guards, NPP Dual-mode quad tip exhaust, Z28 strut tower brace, Camaro LED Cup-holders with footwell Lighting option, Leather visors, and Leather E-brake boot. Chevy dealer sponsored 67 retro SS nose stripe package.

07-04-2018, 03:12 PM	#54
PDXSSCE Yee-aay-ee! Drives: 2015 2SS/RS CV CE Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: ORegon Posts: 2,524	Q2 US Muscle Car Sales Ford Mustang Leads Dodge Challenger after Q2, Camaro Continues to Struggle Camaro sold at a rate of 40k+ units annually in the early 2000's, before it was discontinued; the F-body platform was only shared with the Firebird. Sales are on pace to drop to 50k+ units in 2018, the lowest volume since then; the Cadillac CTS & ATS, with whom it shares the Alpha platform, have been discontinued. My guess is that the 7th generation Camaro will share the Alpha II platform with the upcoming CT5. Hopefully, they'll both be successful. __________________

07-23-2016, 09:54 AM	#48
Nor Cal ZL1 Drives: 2013 ZL1 M6 Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Nor Cal Posts: 1,825	The average 5th gen owner see's no reason to switch to the 6th. Not many like the styling. The car is lighter, only because it is smaller. The car is targeted at an age grouo that is more likely to buy a Prius, or in the future an Autononmous car. That age group will never spend that much money on a car, they would rather Uber, driving is not important to most of them. GM's rather weak advertisement team is having more fun playing pokemon, than actually producing commercials that show case cars as something that are fun to drive, not trying to convince us that emoji's are a good indicator that a car is cool. They need epic commercials, not rainbow, and unicorn PC everyone is happy as a puppy dog commercial. Gm has too many millennials working there.

07-23-2016, 11:22 AM	#49
TDevilsG Drives: 2013 2LT Victory Red LFX Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 640	They are way too expensive. No interest in a 2ss camaro beyond 35k which was what they were when I originally bought mine a couple of years back. They have outpriced their core fanbase. And with all time high sales on the 5th generation, it would have to take a killer deal to have people trade in a three year old car (unless it's end of lease). The difference in what is owed would be huge. Sent from my HTC6525LVW using Tapatalk

07-05-2018, 08:09 AM	#56
Gordo-D Drives: 2015 Camaro 2SS Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Manchester, England Posts: 391	Cant even look at buying new over here, a nearly new 2017 2.0 Camaro with 3k on the clock is £29,995 that's around $40,000 and a brand new V8 Coupe [L99] is £39,185 that's around $52k, I am seeing a lot of brand new Mustangs though.