Supercharged Camaro

[FL1CK]

Originally Posted by mcdoogle6969

No because a stock tc V6 making 30 less than me is being optimistic.

That car in the pic is tricked out. A awesome looking car. I'm 99.9% sure that's not a stock motor though, I visited his page awhile back but can't remember.

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

That car may look tricked out, but its just running an STS single turbo...several V6 cars out there are running them. The motors have not been gone through at all. We also have a couple guys running twin turbo setups pushing 390 to 400 rwhp....and they only stopped there because they can't get the necessary fuel to push farther than that and the cars are leaning out. It only takes 5 or 6 psi of boost to get there as well as running more boost causing the lean issue.

Some have been running like this for months even doing track time on stock internals with zero issues thus far. I'm not saying issues won't happen, but they haven't thus far. Some of the LLTs internals come forged from the factory, but not everything.

As a side note, one of the guys doing the twin turbo setup has shipped his car down to Jannetty in Florida and he will be building a forged engine, and will be strengthening the drivetrain so he can run much bigger boost. Should be interesting.

KNPrenger,
Thanks for the backup on that... as I have seen this car in person and know it's a stock motor.
McDoogle... sorry to burst your bubble but there's quite a few V6s out there that will walk your car. But mine isn't one of them... yet.

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Yes, the AAC car has the LLT engine without any internal modifications. Mine (Getchen as OOLIE pointed out) is going back to RX Performance (so close KMP, but no cigar this time) and will get forged pistons that will also lower the compression ratio. The crank and rods on the LLT are already forged (much like you see on a lot of FI cars from the factory -- MazdaSpeed3, Colbalt SS, Cruze...) and can handle boost quite well. As KMP pointed out, the fuel system can't keep up. We hope to have a solution for that in about a month.

One thing I think there is some confusion on (including myself) is how much power the AAC car makes. I believe the 505 is at the crank, but they can correct me if I'm wrong. If it is at the wheels it would be nice to know how they solved the fuel issue.

[KMPrenger]

Dangit...

Can't be right all the time....my bad!

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

On thing I think there is some confusion on (including myself) is how much power the AAC car makes. I believe the 505 is at the crank, but they can correct me if I'm wrong. If it is at the wheels it would be nice to know how they solved the fuel issue.

That was the estimated crank output...wasn't 505 at the wheels.

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

Dangit...

Can't be right all the time....my bad!

Just realized I transposed your initials .

[mcdoogle6969]

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

That car may look tricked out, but its just running an STS single turbo...several V6 cars out there are running them. The motors have not been gone through at all. We also have a couple guys running twin turbo setups pushing 390 to 400 rwhp....and they only stopped there because they can't get the necessary fuel to push farther than that and the cars are leaning out. It only takes 5 or 6 psi of boost to get there as well as running more boost causing the lean issue.

Some have been running like this for months even doing track time on stock internals with zero issues thus far. I'm not saying issues won't happen, but they haven't thus far. Some of the LLTs internals come forged from the factory, but not everything.

As a side note, one of the guys doing the twin turbo setup has shipped his car down to Jannetty in Florida and he will be building a forged engine, and will be strengthening the drivetrain so he can run much bigger boost. Should be interesting.

I know what the V6 is capable of. 390-400 seems realistic. This guy on the other hand is claiming the car put down 505 and apparently that's not pushing the motor hard.

I'm sorry but that V6 isn't going to put down similar numbers of a V8 while both pretty much stock other than seeing boost. That's just asking to get flamed.

[mcdoogle6969]

Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

Yes, the AAC car has the LLT engine without any internal modifications. Mine (Getchen as OOLIE pointed out) is going back to RX Performance (so close KPM, but no cigar this time) and will get forged pistons that will also lower the compression ratio. The crank and rods on the LLT are already forged (much like you see on a lot of FI cars from the factory -- MazdaSpeed3, Colbalt SS, Cruze...) and can handle boost quite well. As KPM pointed out, the fuel system can't keep up. We hope to have a solution for that in about a month.

On thing I think there is some confusion on (including myself) is how much power the AAC car makes. I believe the 505 is at the crank , but they can correct me if I'm wrong. If it is at the wheels it would be nice to know how they solved the fuel issue.

That clears things up then. Thanks.

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by mcdoogle6969

That clears things up then. Thanks.

No problem. However, 500 RWHP on the stock internals of the LLT is not crazy. They have a lot of the stuff you would like to see in a FI car. The issue is the compression ratio. You can probably get around 500 RWHP on a manual at around 8-9 psi with more fuel and the internals should be fine. Going beyond that will require you to lower the CR. We are swapping out the pistons on mine to lower the CR so we can run 16+ psi. Might as well go with better rods and bolts while you are at it, so we are doing that too.

[mcdoogle6969]

Originally Posted by Road Rage

KNPrenger,
Thanks for the backup on that... as I have seen this car in person and know it's a stock motor.
McDoogle... sorry to burst your bubble but there's quite a few V6s out there that will WALK your car. But mine isn't one of them... yet.

Don't get too ahead of yourself there buddy. V6 camaro fast list are low 12s, and I heard a few were high 11s...My plan is to break 10s this fall. So good luck.

[mcdoogle6969]

Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

No problem. However, 500 RWHP on the stock internals of the LLT is not crazy. They have a lot of the stuff you would like to see in a FI car. The issue is the compression ratio. You can probably get around 500 RWHP on a manual at around 8-9 psi with more fuel and the internals should be fine. Going beyond that will require you to lower the CR. We are swapping out the pistons on mine to lower the CR so we can run 16+ psi. Might as well go with better rods and bolts while you are at it, so we are doing that too.

Looks like I learn something new everyday! Pretty cool.

[Infernoo]

Originally Posted by mcdoogle6969

Don't get too ahead of yourself there buddy. V6 camaro fast list are low 12s, and I heard a few were high 11s...My plan is to break 10s this fall. So good luck.

Very odd to see an SS owner posting in a v6 forum. Are you lost? Or just retarded?

[ZNOLMT]

I don't understand where this idea of the LLT being "near the limit from the factory" even came from.

312hp for a modern 3.6l v6 is pretty standard nowadays. A Nismo 370z makes 350hp (regular makes 332)from a 3.7l v6, and people put super chargers and turbo kits on those all the time!

500 at the crank does not seem unreasonable with stock internals. With forged internals, even higher numbers don't seem like a big deal. The turbo kits we've been seeing are still running pretty low boost pressure!

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by mcdoogle6969

Don't get too ahead of yourself there buddy. V6 camaro fast list are low 12s, and I heard a few were high 11s...My plan is to break 10s this fall. So good luck.

We have one in the 11s (and hopefully I'll be there real soon). The guy that manages our fast list has been a way for a while (military duty) and unable to update the list. I'm not saying we are going to be able to keep up with the fastest SSs, but we are starting to make progress now that companies like RX and IPS have taken an interest in the LLT.

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by mcdoogle6969

Looks like I learn something new everyday! Pretty cool.

, hopefully we all do!