Is the V6 "THE" Camaro now?

[theholycow]

Originally Posted by KatarHol

We are all on a car board because we are car enthusiasts. What car enthusiasts want is best of the breed,a V6 pony car,no matter how much HP it has, is settling.

Why do you think you're qualified to speak for me? Here's what I want:
- RWD
- 6 speed manual
- Reasonably large
- Reasonably quick
- Very comfortable
- Efficient
- Low purchase price
- Made by GM is preferrable but not required

The fact that it looks great, and the fact that it's called "Camaro", are just icing on the cake for me. I'll probably consider the Hyundai Genesis Coupe too, and the V6 Camaro has to compete with that.

A 200HP 3.8 Camaro had as much HP as some '80s-90s V8 pony cars,and they were nice cars,yet i see no one lusting after those cars or keeping those cars,it's the base car,no one cares.

You are very wrong. I wanted one back in January but nobody is willing to sell theirs. The few that are for sale are raking in premium prices. I settled for a new VW Rabbit lease to get me through until I can get the new V6 Camaro.

The Camaro with a V6 is nothing special,it's a car that any other car MFG can do

"Can" being the key word. It's a car that they can do, but not a car that they are doing. See my criteria above.

I loved both my V6 pony cars at that time for what they were,but i wanted the V8's both times and i always had that regret when i drove those cars,i had settled

I highly recommend that you don't get the V6. Even with how cool the DI V6 is, you're not going to be happy with it, and a new car is an awfully big investment to make and not be ecstatic about it.

[Captain Awesome]

Originally Posted by stovt001

The 350Z has a 300 hp V6 and Accords don't put it to shame. The BMW 335 and 135 are plenty quick with their 300 hp I6. Also, the 5th Gen looks to be anything but rowdy and uncomfortable. 300 hp, RWD, 2 doors, 50-50 weight distribution, IRS, etc, is something to lust after for pretty much anyone but the most hardcore performance nuts.

Don't feed the troll. The Accordion and Spamry both have 268HP V6 engines with 248 lb-ft of torque in a curve that makes the surface of mars look smooth. They also cost $30K and are so commonplace as to be totally utilitarian and boring.

The Allmighty Accordion even comes with a 5-speed Automatic! Plus, they're both driving with the wheels that steer and dragging the wheels that drive.

Anyone who picks one of these snorefests is also shopping minivans.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Wow...either it's fear of the V8 being upstaged...or something else that I smell in here.....
Either way, let's keep it civil, shall we?

For instance; there is no "period, end of story" until the thread is closed.

[The_Blur]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

Well, your view of the best of the breed is different from others. If someone wants the best value or fuel economy that makes the V6 the best to them. I want a middle of the road Camaro, not a V6, not a 500 hp monster. Does that mean I am settling too, since its not going to be a top of the line car? There are lots of people here who want a decent performing car with amazing looks that gets decent gas mileage. The V6 Camaro fits that bill pretty good.

Think of things this way, any performance enthusiast will know about the SS Camaro. If they want one, they will buy one. If they don't want one, no amount of promotion by GM will change their mind. The V6 on the other hand will out perform its V6 competition as well as the SS will. And it has things like best in class fuel economy, something you don't really associate with the Camaro.

We need to stop the in-fighting over the Camaro. The V6 is special, and so is the V8. While the V6 is in a very contested environment, the V8 is fairly dominant with regard to its primary rivals, but there are still many more cars ahead of a Camaro SS. Even if GM were to produce a Camaro ZL1 with 600 horses, it still wouldn't be superior to the Corvette ZR1 or many foreign exotics. No one here should be on a high horse since we're all getting cars with the same name: "CAMARO."

Think about them in different segments. The V6 is in the hotly contested 300-hp segment, featuring imported sports cars and domestic muscle cars. The V8 is in the custom segment, competing with hand-build motors, custom street monsters, and exotics. There are 2 different breeds of driver here. The V6 owner is practical, isn't just about speed, and beats more cars on the street because more people are willing to race. After all, if you know the car next to you at the track is a lot faster then you, there's no point in racing. The V8 has a driver focused on power over almost everything else or alternatively someone who favors luxury. Everyone knows that luxury cars feature way more power than they are credited. Additionally these drivers can afford more in their cars.

Since we have 2 types of drivers, conflict seems inevitable, but it doesn't have to be that way. V8 drivers need to respect that the V6 is making all of the money for GM's Camaro sales. V6 drivers need to realize that the SS moniker on those V8s is a legendary symbol, signifying dominance on the street and track. Those who have SS badges should be respected for being able to handle such a powerful car while those with LT badges should be respected for making that SS possible.

I'll give the thread back now.

[Al Robinson]

Once we get our hands on the new Camaro with a V-whatever and gathered at some gathering all of these heated discussions will be a thing of the past.

[daddyseth1]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

I don't think that will happen at all! The SS is not in the interests of the majority of 'normal' buyers. The V6 IS. Which means the V6 model is going ot make the most money for GM.

But the problem is that when you think Camaro; you think V8. It's almost always been that way. The marketing that GM is pushing for the V6 is intended to break that thinking, and give the V6 a proper spotlight in the marketplace. There is nothing compromising about this V6: you get V8 performance with V6 fuel economy for a V6 price! I don't think the SS will upstage it anywhere besides the track. But do 'normal' buyers bring their Camaro's to the track?

As...how could I best say this....as upsetting as it is to some; the SS isn't going to be the "main event" Camaro unless gas prices go down, GM comes back to full "power", and the economy rights itself. Even then, I think we're going to hear a LOT about efficiency in the coming decades. Marketing the SS in those conditions as 'better' than the LS/LT/RS, would be one of the stupidest things I could think they'd do with this car. The SS is now a silent Hero (I like the 335i v. M3 comparison), that's where it belongs right now, and I think it will stay that way for some time to come...

You are so right Dragon! That's is why the new Challengers are not flying off the shelves right now(no pun intended, I saw one last night along the lakefront here in Chi-Town and it looks awesome). For potential buyers to know that they are getting a Camaro with more bang for its buck (a V6 with V8 hp) will be very impressive and persuasive to buyers. Which is what GM is banking on.

[LouB]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

The V6 DOES kick ass.

The V8 will get it's light soon enough, I think. It's not an afterthough, and it certainly won't be a slouch; but when all is said and done with, the V6 will be the more advertised car...if that means better sales, and continued production for Camaro and the SS; is that a bad thing?

With performance of 0-60 in about 6 seconds, and quarter mile times in the mid 14's bone stock, The 6 is a respectable performer, unlike the v6 variants from Challenger and Mustang that won't get out of their own way.

I am thinking more and more, because of price and economy, that if I end up with a 2010 Camaro, it will be a nicely appointed V6.

There is no shame in this. You have to think outside of the box, and not be so hung up on the fact that is has to be a v8.

Times have changed...

[theholycow]

Originally Posted by Al Robinson

Once we get our hands on the new Camaro with a V-whatever and gathered at some gathering all of these heated discussions will be a thing of the past.

We're all just antsy and on edge from waiting...

[Al Robinson]

I hear you, I am too!!!

[greenrail]

Originally Posted by Wm Holden

it's all marketing and money.....after losing 15.5 billion..they are very concerned with moving the product.

Oh if only in the real world that were true.

Here is where I diverge off into the whole, "Heck let's gouge the customer for our own personal gains," rant.

The fact that several dealers have openly admitted to "upscaling" the pricing of the early Camaros, really ticks me off. I have gone so far as to actually defending their right to charge whatever they can. Even though, I also, at the same time, encouraged everyone to completely avoid those who would do such a thing.

With the recent developments regarding GM's losses, those who try this tactic, need to rethink their respective busness' long term viability.

Do you want quick sales and no long term customers? Are you ready to risk the ability of your most important product supplier, to provide desirable products over the long haul?

I have tried and tried to remain relatively balanced in my thinking of this. However, with all of the posts about gouging and product mix, it has tilted me even more into the "You want what for that Car?--- Hell No I will not pay that price!" Camp

[JEFF2010SSMANUAL]

My brother said he would take the RS V6 with the CTS engine with the 6 speed paddle auto with the posi rear anyday over the SS, I WANT the massive Vette engine.

People on the BMW 1Addicts forum are bashing the new SS Camaro.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by JEFF2010SSMANUAL

People on the BMW 1Addicts forum are bashing the new SS Camaro.

So? They're just jealous...

EDIT: no they're not [bashing it]...I just went over there and read through the thread...
the OP thinks the SS will be $35k-$40k, and he believes that makes it a "performance value monster." Imagine what he'll think when he can get it for around the same as a Mustang!

Then there's others talking about the Camaro's highly-advanced suspension...where were they bashing?

[theholycow]

Originally Posted by JEFF2010SSMANUAL

People on the BMW 1Addicts forum are bashing the new SS Camaro.

People on lots of other forums are bashing it. It's a very polarizing car. Just taken on its own merit, it won't gather many middle-of-the-road reactions; now add in its heritage, stereotypes, and pre-conceived notions...and it's a fiery mix.

That's exactly what you get when you make a car that is not boring among a sea of bland cars.

[playhard67]

Why all this fuss????

Let GM advertise the he#@ out of the V6 and sell a ton of them. Those that want the V8 know it's there and will buy it.

Without the large volume sales of the V6, GM will stop making the Camaro again. And, none of us want that.