Motor Trend compares the ZL1 to the Boss 302 Laguna Seca

[truth411]

Ok the ZL1 is 2.4 sec faster per lap than a car that's 400lbs lighter, has R-compound tires, an illegal front spliter for street use and no back seats!!!! SERIOUSLY GREAT JOB GM!!!! It's like someone at GM is telling Ford "Stick that up your pipe and smoke it!!!" LOL.

[djsnoflake]

Good review, and I don't get how people can think motor trend hates GM. They made the Volt the COTY last year, against some very worthy competition. Motor Trend didn't like Old GM, and sales records show that they were pretty on the money with what the buying public thought.

MT really likes a lot of Chevy's new offerings. They even had the Sonic in the top 3 for the 2012 COTY

[ffrcobra_65]

Originally Posted by truth411

Ok the ZL1 is 2.4 sec faster per lap than a car that's 400lbs lighter, has R-compound tires, an illegal front spliter for street use and no back seats!!!! SERIOUSLY GREAT JOB GM!!!! It's like someone at GM is telling Ford "Stick that up your pipe and smoke it!!!" LOL.

not defending Ford but if we are going to bag on the LS for getting beat by the ZL1, let's also state and not conveniently forget that the Boss has 136hp less than the ZL1. Also, the same folks who were marveling and high-praising the Boss LS a year go are now complaining about it. I didn't read the entire article but I wonder if the Boss' red key was in use during the testing. No matter, the ZL1 beat it as it should! However, this latest chest pounding here reminds me of when the production of the ZL1 was announced and when the 580hp # was announced..then the 650hp GT500 was made known and it got very very quiet and it became "well the ZL1 still looks prettier." I hope when the new GT500 is finally tested vs. the ZL1 in a few months (can't come soon enough) that no matter the result, we don't dip down to "well, it still looks prettier" argument again. With minimum 650hp, finally a launch control and better suspension, the GT500 will have no problem beating the ZL1 in a straight line, same 285 tires or not. The real battle to me is on a track with turns where I think the ZL1 engineers knew all along is where they will bring the fight vs the coiled snake.

[Silver_Shelby]

Originally Posted by Sawyer

Bottom line impressive win for ZL1.

The boss was supposed to be THE track car for ford.

Well done.

For the Boss LS to cost $8k and 136hp less and only lose by 2 seconds is pretty amazing ! Install a Supercharger on the boss to make up for the 136 less horsepower and some wider tires to even things up and do the test again.... Then lets see who wins.

[camarofreak]

Originally Posted by Silver_Shelby

For the Boss LS to cost $8k and 136hp less and only lose by 2 seconds is pretty amazing ! Install a Supercharger on the boss to make up for the 136 less horsepower and some wider tires to even things up and do the test again.... Then lets see who wins.

The Boss is a VERY respectable car but why did they have it in that test, because it was faster than the car that had a supercharger and wider tires on it.

[toilets]

Good point! Was the red key used in the boss? If not then I say we got problems. The boss did however lap the ls track in a 1.40 using the red key. Granted, different day different conditions but it was by motor trend

[tmandoug1]

Can I just say this, for those of you who are Ford nuts, enjoy your vehicles. For those of us who are Chevy nuts, enjoy our cars. This petty competitive BS is really draining. Go drive and have fun, and if you happen to meet at a light, track, or road course get busy and then smile and shake hands and say "ain't this sh-- fun". I know this won't work because as a species we are to stubborn to just have fun without sayin mine is better than yours. Just like to put out that I will grin no matter what when I stall my ZL1 in the dealers lot just like I would if I stalled my new GT500. Preference is key, go enjoy what you have and tip beers at the end. But please enough already.

[Blown355]

Originally Posted by camarofreak

The Boss is a VERY respectable car but why did they have it in that test, because it was faster than the car that had a supercharger and wider tires on it.

BINGO.

[toilets]

I like this war amongst ourselves. Why? Because the Germans right now just said " how in the hell did those two American muscle cars go around that track so fast?"

[evolve]

Originally Posted by ffrcobra_65

not defending Ford but if we are going to bag on the LS for getting beat by the ZL1, let's also state and not conveniently forget that the Boss has 136hp less than the ZL1. Also, the same folks who were marveling and high-praising the Boss LS a year go are now complaining about it. I didn't read the entire article but I wonder if the Boss' red key was in use during the testing. No matter, the ZL1 beat it as it should! However, this latest chest pounding here reminds me of when the production of the ZL1 was announced and when the 580hp # was announced..then the 650hp GT500 was made known and it got very very quiet and it became "well the ZL1 still looks prettier." I hope when the new GT500 is finally tested vs. the ZL1 in a few months (can't come soon enough) that no matter the result, we don't dip down to "well, it still looks prettier" argument again. With minimum 650hp, finally a launch control and better suspension, the GT500 will have no problem beating the ZL1 in a straight line, same 285 tires or not. The real battle to me is on a track with turns where I think the ZL1 engineers knew all along is where they will bring the fight vs the coiled snake.

Very well said Sir.

[Fenderaddict2]

Originally Posted by rextremeak

Anybody else notice all the Ford advertisements on that site??? Weird...

The ads are survey up depending on your browsing history. Been shopping Fords lately? I got bank ads.

[Fenderaddict2]

Well, as a current '12 Boss owner I knew my car's time at the top was limited. Glad to see Chevy respond so effectively. I, for one, think the upcoming GT500 will fall short. I'm looking forward to the next gen Mustangs which will hopefully have IRS. Till then, let's all enjoy our cars!

[camarofreak]

Originally Posted by tmandoug1

Can I just say this, for those of you who are Ford nuts, enjoy your vehicles. For those of us who are Chevy nuts, enjoy our cars. This petty competitive BS is really draining. Go drive and have fun, and if you happen to meet at a light, track, or road course get busy and then smile and shake hands and say "ain't this sh-- fun". I know this won't work because as a species we are to stubborn to just have fun without sayin mine is better than yours. Just like to put out that I will grin no matter what when I stall my ZL1 in the dealers lot just like I would if I stalled my new GT500. Preference is key, go enjoy what you have and tip beers at the end. But please enough already.

[Deki]

Originally Posted by hognutz

It beat the boss 302 laguna secca (no back seat special areo selling for 50k) by 2 seconds.

the current gt500 gets dominated by the boss 302 LS by 2 to 4 seconds around most tracks.

So how do you figure???? I am pretty sure that is why they did the boss 302 head to head becasue the GT500 laps slower.

The boss 302 LS is an awsome performing car though. If it were not for the back seat delete and the horrible color schemes I would have considered it.

Where did you get these numbers? I haven't seen one test done one the same day, by the same driver, at the same track, where the GT500 was slower than the Boss LS. The only test I've seen, the GT500 beat the LS and it can be found right here (and that was a 2010)

http://www.insideline.com/ford/musta...ng_fe_111.html

Other than that, comparing reviews from a year ago on a car to a different car on the same track hold no water, especially with different drivers. Just look at the differences in lap times on Car and Driver's Lighting Laps from year to year with the same cars, up to 4 seconds difference, or in case of the 2011 GT500 to the 2010 GT500, 8 second difference around VIR.