Can ZL1 compete with GTR

[The IOM Ninja]

Originally Posted by Wesman

Yea, and you better set aside another $25,000 for a new transmissions for the GT-R as well. They are garbage.

They don't only replace the transmission. The transmission is a part of the rear differential. Also the 2012 GT-R has protocols in place to only allow 3 launches, using launch control, before a cooldown is required. The problem was people were bagging their cars, despite what they will tell you. Nissan found evidence of abusive driving and that is why they voided drivetrain warranties. I don't agree with that but I'm going to believe that Chevrolet would do the something if they were in Nissans position and this was their Halo Car. Of course Chevy doesn't have any car that can go 0-60 in 2.9 or shift without loosing power.

Originally Posted by Wesman

Both the Z06 and the ZR1 destroy the GTR from a rolling start.

Its not even a race, especially with the ZR1.

They Z06 and ZR1 are much more powerful cars with much broader powerbands, better top end, and hundreds of pounds less weight.

Being that the ZL1 will weigh about the same as the GTR and have more horsepower and a better powerband, it should walk the GTR from a rolling start as well.

If you think a ZL1 will weigh less than a Camaro SS you my good sir are high.

Every 10lb a car looses is like having 1 extra horsepower in that case since the Camaro ZL1 has a weight of 4200lb, until actual specs are released, and the GT-R weighs 3800lb the weight difference will make the GT-R perform like it has closer to 570 horsepower.

[DarkneSS]

Originally Posted by The IOM Ninja

If you think a ZL1 will weigh less than a Camaro SS you my good sir are high.

Every 10lb a car looses is like having 1 extra horsepower in that case since the Camaro ZL1 has a weight of 4200lb, until actual specs are released, and the GT-R weighs 3800lb the weight difference will make the GT-R perform like it has closer to 570 horsepower.

Lol what?

The ZL1 wont be over 4000lb, it wont get all the luxury items that a Caddy has which is why it will weigh less.

So it will weigh within 200 lbs of the GTR with enough power to about even that up. The GTR is AWD so the faster in speed it goes the more pronounced the drive train loss is. The ZL1 will be putting more power down as it moves faster so a rolling start = win.

[The IOM Ninja]

Originally Posted by DarkneSS

Lol what?

The ZL1 wont be over 4000lb, it wont get all the luxury items that a Caddy has which is why it will weigh less.

So it will weigh within 200 lbs of the GTR with enough power to about even that up. The GTR is AWD so the faster in speed it goes the more pronounced the drive train loss is. The ZL1 will be putting more power down as it moves faster so a rolling start = win.

Rolling start also = cheating

Not if it's a highway race but we wouldn't be talking about that now would we…

American Testers 0-60 times are always faster then the truth. Euro and Japanese testers test from a stand still.

[Supercamaro64]

Originally Posted by IOMZL1

I wonder why the Z06 and Boss 302 were featured in this instead of the ZR1 and GT500? It seems like for such a production they would at least get the top accelerating version of each model.

I agree completely! it always annoys me when they use a corvette in a test like this, cause they always use the z06 instead of the zr1. z06 is a sick car, but zr1 is king of the hill. grr to them.

[The IOM Ninja]

Originally Posted by Supercamaro64

I agree completely! it always annoys me when they use a corvette in a test like this, cause they always use the z06 instead of the zr1. z06 is a sick car, but zr1 is king of the hill. grr to them.

The GT-R was also built to take on the Z06 but ended up taking on the ZR1.

[OldScoolCamaro]

Originally Posted by b4z

I understand your point but Porsche sells more than 2500 Panameras a year.

...just a comment, nothing for nothing, I was next to one yesterday. That's a huge Porsche.

[Wesman]

Originally Posted by The IOM Ninja

They don't only replace the transmission. The transmission is a part of the rear differential. Also the 2012 GT-R has protocols in place to only allow 3 launches, using launch control, before a cooldown is required. The problem was people were bagging their cars, despite what they will tell you. Nissan found evidence of abusive driving and that is why they voided drivetrain warranties. I don't agree with that but I'm going to believe that Chevrolet would do the something if they were in Nissans position and this was their Halo Car. Of course Chevy doesn't have any car that can go 0-60 in 2.9 or shift without loosing power.

That entire paragraph is nothing more than misinformation.

First off, they DO replace the transmission. It includes the center differential/t-case and rear diff, its one complete unit. The transmission itself is actually what blows up though, as is evidenced by this picture of 1st gear. The shift forks and rails are clearly visible:



Nissan didn't find ANY "evidence of abusive driving". They simply instructed dealers to scan the PCM, see if launch control had been activated, and then proceed with voiding the warranty on the entire powertrain.

So for $90,000 people got a piece of shit car that blows its transmission, is not covered under warranty, and cost them $20,000 plus to fix. All because they used a FACTORY DESIGNED and integrated feature on the car. That is just pathetic, there is no other word for it. But people like yourself will try and downplay the issue and stand behind Nissan regardless. And no, GM wouldn't do the same thing, if they put a feature on a car its designed to be used, not void the warranty. Nissan is a joke of a company, its a wonder they are still in business.

Every 10lb a car looses is like having 1 extra horsepower in that case since the Camaro ZL1 has a weight of 4200lb, until actual specs are released, and the GT-R weighs 3800lb the weight difference will make the GT-R perform like it has closer to 570 horsepower.

The GT-R weighs more than 3800lbs, Nissan bullshits the numbers just like they do everything else. On the scales, it weighs very close to 4,000lbs.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Wesman....although I'm enjoying your contributions thus far ()....let's try to dial it back just a bit...please?

[Scarrzz]

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This never gets old.

[Wesman]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Wesman....although I'm enjoying your contributions thus far ()....let's try to dial it back just a bit...please?

Yessir

[The IOM Ninja]

Originally Posted by Wesman

That entire paragraph is nothing more than misinformation.

First off, they DO replace the transmission. It includes the center differential/t-case and rear diff, its one complete unit. The transmission itself is actually what blows up though, as is evidenced by this picture of 1st gear. The shift forks and rails are clearly visible:



Nissan didn't find ANY "evidence of abusive driving". They simply instructed dealers to scan the PCM, see if launch control had been activated, and then proceed with voiding the warranty on the entire powertrain.

So for $90,000 people got a piece of shit car that blows its transmission, is not covered under warranty, and cost them $20,000 plus to fix. All because they used a FACTORY DESIGNED and integrated feature on the car. That is just pathetic, there is no other word for it. But people like yourself will try and downplay the issue and stand behind Nissan regardless. And no, GM wouldn't do the same thing, if they put a feature on a car its designed to be used, not void the warranty. Nissan is a joke of a company, its a wonder they are still in business.

The GT-R weighs more than 3800lbs, Nissan bullshits the numbers just like they do everything else. On the scales, it weighs very close to 4,000lbs.

I SAID THEY DON'T ONLY REPLACE THE TRANSMISSION AS IT IS PART OF THE REAR DIFFERENTIAL. I'm not a huge fan of Nissan or any Japs cars but I'm also not riding GM's Fat One like a Rodeo Horse like a lot of people on this forum. There is no such thing as a legitimately good company. GM is evil, Ford is evil, Dodge is evil, BMW is evil and Toyota is Evil. You may act like they care about the consumer but they don't truly. All manufactures lie, ALL.

I don't care for the GT-R at all by the way, it is an ugly, ugly, ugly car that has clear manufacturing issues but that is because of the engineers designing it not the car itself. Your also right GM wouldn't do that, but that's mainly because they were to busy putting out c**p cars for the last 10 years. It took GM bankruptcy to change their ways. It took a bunch of people complaining for Nissan to fix the GT-R. While I'm certain all they did was make a limit on the amount of times you can use launch control and didn't truly fix it.

Also I've never seen a GT-R be weighed so I only have specs to go off of but I will also say that my car is advertised to do 0-60 in 4.6 Seconds, what they don't tell you is that is with roll out. Most manufactures lie about their specs on cars so it's nothing surprising to me.

I also don't believe for a second that they guy who first broke his transmission was telling the whole truth and that's because I have seen plenty of GT-R drivers that act like d-bags. All the respect to you but you don't know my personal opinions on people, cars or anything so don't automatically assume I love Nissan and same goes for you. Thanks

[siriusdish]

I would love to have a GTR, Always wanted a Skyline long ago!!! I really like the GTR!!!

[Mr CLuTcH]

Actually, when I think about it, the ZL1 will have MORE hp and TORQUE than pretty much ALL of those "supercars" that we've seen in that 11 car supercar shootout. Even more hp and torque than the Ferrari 458 and the Mercedes. 580HP and 556lbs of torque! I think the ZL1 will walk over alot of exotic cars, from and roll and on the strip if it has some drag tires, because despite how much power and torque this car will be putting down, the only down fall I see in the car will be it's projected weight! That seems to be the only limiting factor. Well, weight and traction. If they can surprise us with a weight about the same as the SS or lower, then BOY OH BOY, will EVERYONE have trouble. Just something I thought about. Ya know?

[scythezo6]

Originally Posted by mikeSS

i am going to go with a no.

It's crazy how that race puts things in perspective. Wow