Camaro VS Mustang Mega Thread

[snakekiller]

Originally Posted by thePill

I'm with you 100%, it will also raise the value of the 5.4 GT500s substantially and they will be sought after for years. SVT might bring the Cobra back for SVTs 20th anniversary in 2013 right before the redesign in 2014. Depending on the HP edition Camaros release date, Ford may not change the engine at all and just let it phase out during the redesign. Or, they might push the TT 5.0 that was being worked for almost 2 years now. The Twin Turbo creates more torque than a supercharger does and doesn't suffer from heat like an S/C.

They will most likely have the IRS ready for 2014, just as long as its the 5 or 6 link IRS. they have a 5 link in the fleet now and it is global... I think it is used on a few Lincolns including an SUV. It looks like a Jaguar 5 link design so it is always possible for them to go with 6 link if they wanted to.. Please Do Not Use a 4 Link IRS FORD, save it for the Mini Vans and 4 doors...

I think your quite right, IRS is a given in the next-gen mustang. I also herd of the TT5.0L its probably going to be labeled EcoBoost like all other Ford's TT engines, ford did mention that the engine was creating to much heat in the mustangs current platform.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by wbt

GT500 days may be numbered...

Really? I would have thought that was a bread-and-butter Mustang model...

[wbt]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Really? I would have thought that was a bread-and-butter Mustang model...

I think Ford will move away from the Shelby name in the not too distant future.

The Cobra only branded Mustang may be it's replacement.

Whether Ford keeps the GT500 designation, who knows.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by wbt

I think Ford will move away from the Shelby name in the not too distant future.

The Cobra only branded Mustang may be it's replacement.

Whether Ford keeps the GT500 designation, who knows.

Hm. No kidding....

[assasinator]

ford will be dropping the shelby name very soon. ive heard the redesign will be called cobra again. 2014 model year. in the mean time the fast mustang will be the gt350. either 525hp or 624hp. nobody knows for sure which boost level ford will give it. i guess we'll see soon enough.

[LYCAN]

Yeah...that's what we need...another RWD 600 HP pony car. Well, that is the nature of a pony car, so I should shut up. What Ford and GM need to do is to focus on the handling aspect and less on insane engine numbers. But I guess it's easier to slap a ton of HP under the hood than to make a car carve corners well. Neither car does a bad job, but that IMHO is really what needs to be improved moving forward. Both cars need to loose some weight and tighten up a bit.

[BigDan]

^ It will be low boost because they are keeping the engine stock but with the FRPP TVS bolted on top....Lame.

I'd rather have the fully forged high boost 4.6L 2010 Roush stage 3 that makes 530whp vs a factory 5.0L with a supercharger. What's the point?

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by LYCAN

Yeah...that's what we need...another RWD 600 HP pony car. Well, that is the nature of a pony car, so I should shut up. What Ford and GM need to do is to focus on the handling aspect and less on insane engine numbers. But I guess it's easier to slap a ton of HP under the hood than to make a car carve corners well. Neither car does a bad job, but that IMHO is really what needs to be improved moving forward. Both cars need to loose some weight and tighten up a bit.

They just need to lighten the cars. Handling and acceleration come with.

[syr74]

Originally Posted by wbt

I think Ford will move away from the Shelby name in the not too distant future.

The Cobra only branded Mustang may be it's replacement.

Whether Ford keeps the GT500 designation, who knows.

I'm going to guess that this is going to make some folks unhappy, but I can assure you that this is not happening as of right now and isn't even on the current list of things to consider. Anything can change, particularly when you are talking about licensing, but currently Ford has zero interest in dropping the Shelby connection and returning to the SVT Cobra moniker. (irony, Shelby Mustang were marketed as Cobra's back in the day)

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Really? I would have thought that was a bread-and-butter Mustang model...

It is, and both the model and the name are safe for now.

[thePill]

Originally Posted by syr74

I'm going to guess that this is going to make some folks unhappy, but I can assure you that this is not happening as of right now and isn't even on the current list of things to consider. Anything can change, particularly when you are talking about licensing, but currently Ford has zero interest in dropping the Shelby connection and returning to the SVT Cobra moniker. (irony, Shelby Mustang were marketed as Cobra's back in the day)



It is, and both the model and the name are safe for now.

Safe until Shelby's contract is up next year, so the 2012 model year GT500 may be the last GT500 we see and to me that is good. It keeps the GT500 exclusive for the ones who bought it and allows SVT to have complete control of the model. Good things happen when SVT is left alone (see Raptor). Ford bought the Cobra emblem from Shelby in the early 70s after the top performance options were offered directly from Ford and the top Mustang in the SCCA was the Boss 302. Shelby terminated his agreement with Ford in the summer of 1969 after Ford released the 1970 Boss 302 for primary SCCA duty.

If anybody knows Ford, they will surely try to capitalize from the 20th anniversary of both SVT and the Mustang Cobra. I guess it all depends on what Ford wants to do but I highly doubt the GT500 is a huge profit maker and there is a very large fanbase for the SVT Cobra. Shelbys original run from '64-'69 would mirror the current '07-'12 six year run. Just as 1969, Ford pushed the remaining 1969 GT500s out as 1970 models and there were very few. Six years is a pretty long time when contracts are concerned....

Another option would be to have NO top model Mustang at all for 2013 model year when Shelby's contract expires. It will be another 10 months before Ford says anything relating to this... They still have to wait for the HP Camaro's details before the make a solid move. If you really think about it, the last MY before a redesign sales are the worse. Ford could just hold off a year and release the SVT Cobra in 2014.. I would say that a 2014 SVT Cobra with a TT/TVS 5.0, Direct injection and weighing 300lbs less than a GT500 will put the boots to the HP Camaro that GM will be releasing..

The irony would be that it was in fact the Boss 302 that bumped the GT350 from the Trans Am series after 1968 and Shelby Mustang's out of production shortly after..... Hmmmm... the current scenery looks awfully familiar...

[8cd03gro]

They just need to "super" package for the 302. That 5.0 is already fully forged and ready for boost and with adjustable suspension, all that chassis bracing, etc. it would easily destroy the gt500 in every aspect of performance with just a simple blower kit.

[thePill]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

They just need to "super" package for the 302. That 5.0 is already fully forged and ready for boost and with adjustable suspension, all that chassis bracing, etc. it would easily destroy the gt500 in every aspect of performance with just a simple blower kit.

I said this before but, the Ford Racing suspension Shelby used on the GT350 needs to be on the GT500.

Edit: The GT350s suspension might be barrowed from the Boss 302... Shelby of America did say that all the Ford Racing parts on the car were from the catalog.. So are all the Boss 302's parts...

[syr74]

Originally Posted by thePill

Safe until Shelby's contract is up next year, so the 2012 model year GT500 may be the last GT500 we see and to me that is good. It keeps the GT500 exclusive for the ones who bought it and allows SVT to have complete control of the model. Good things happen when SVT is left alone (see Raptor). Ford bought the Cobra emblem from Shelby in the early 70s after the top performance options were offered directly from Ford and the top Mustang in the SCCA was the Boss 302. Shelby terminated his agreement with Ford in the summer of 1969 after Ford released the 1970 Boss 302 for primary SCCA duty.

If anybody knows Ford, they will surely try to capitalize from the 20th anniversary of both SVT and the Mustang Cobra. I guess it all depends on what Ford wants to do but I highly doubt the GT500 is a huge profit maker and there is a very large fanbase for the SVT Cobra. Shelbys original run from '64-'69 would mirror the current '07-'12 six year run. Just as 1969, Ford pushed the remaining 1969 GT500s out as 1970 models and there were very few. Six years is a pretty long time when contracts are concerned....

Another option would be to have NO top model Mustang at all for 2013 model year when Shelby's contract expires. It will be another 10 months before Ford says anything relating to this... They still have to wait for the HP Camaro's details before the make a solid move. If you really think about it, the last MY before a redesign sales are the worse. Ford could just hold off a year and release the SVT Cobra in 2014.. I would say that a 2014 SVT Cobra with a TT/TVS 5.0, Direct injection and weighing 300lbs less than a GT500 will put the boots to the HP Camaro that GM will be releasing..

The irony would be that it was in fact the Boss 302 that bumped the GT350 from the Trans Am series after 1968 and Shelby Mustang's out of production shortly after..... Hmmmm... the current scenery looks awfully familiar...

I am fully aware of Shelby's history with Ford. There are no plans to sever the relationship with Shelby or to replace the GT500 with the Cobra...they simply don't exist.

The Boss is currently positioned and seen as a special edition in the same spirit as the SN95-based Mach-1, it has a limited life span and won't replace anything long term.

As for waiting to see what GM does to make a move, Ford will be prepared.

[assasinator]

Originally Posted by BigDan

^ It will be low boost because they are keeping the engine stock but with the FRPP TVS bolted on top....Lame.

I'd rather have the fully forged high boost 4.6L 2010 Roush stage 3 that makes 530whp vs a factory 5.0L with a supercharger. What's the point?

for the SVT cobra in 2014ish:
nope, the rumor is the high end aussie BOSS supercharged 5.0 not the current gt350 offering. its gt500 like strength. nobody knows HP though. the aussie's are forced to keep hp down for regulators.