Report: 2012 Camaro to get new LFX V6 Engine

[Lazerbrainz2k3]

Originally Posted by The Black Stig

As far e-85, if you wanna make power it's the new fuel of champions... I can do the same power and slightly better on e-85 as i can do on c16 race gas.

e-85 has a minimal octane rating of of 100 and up to 105, pump e-85 is mixed with 85 octane as will, making your own ethanol(with the blessing of the A.T.F.) and mixing with 93 octane+ leads to much better results, that and an e50 blend works better of D/I and d/i turbo cars as you do not need flow as much fuel, and it has nearly the same octane (usually one point lower), but it has an slightly higher stioch. so you can't run as lean.

Verdit
E-85 on dd boring ass cars FAIL x2 if there "flex fuel"

E-85 with an proper tune and even slightly modded.... Win

"There is no requirement to post octane on an E85 dispenser.
If a retailer chooses to post octane, they should be aware that
the often cited 105 octane is incorrect. This number was
derived by using ethanol’s blending octane value in gasoline.
This is not the proper way to calculate the octane of E85.
Ethanol’s true octane value should be used to calculate E85’s
octane value. This results in an octane range of 94-96 (R+M)/
2. These calculations have been confirmed by actual octane

engine tests."

http://ethanolrfa.3cdn.net/dd9e74ce1..._rbm6bdgh3.pdf

[garcmol]

Originally Posted by 08-G35s/6MT

So the new engine is a 3.0 liter ??? Or just a modified version of the current 3.6 ???

I asked that on page 1. All specs are for a 3.0. Wanted to know if this is just a math equation to come up with these numbers, or is the 3.6 in prototype.

[b4z]

3.6L

[Blade]

Fun news! I am just excited by the fact that my 2010 will be a classic car by 2012 LOL

[camarochris1974]

i know the 3.6 gm is using now is a high compression engine that doesn't require high octane fuel due to it being direct injection allows it to run on the cheap stuff. i see the new engine is also direct injection also. the high compression is helping it make the power with 89 octane

[starbuck62]

do the 2010/2011 Camaro SSs run on E85? If they do, can you not just tune them to run more effectively for E85?

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by jmaryt

things are gonna get real 'dicey" when those caf'e ratings take hold!...i hate to say it,but the 8 may have to go away,and maybe even the 6!..stay tuned!

sounds accurate!.what we DO know is that at some point,you can say 'goodbye"
to the 8,AND the 6!..putting a 'blower" on a 4 sounds right!

i agree!..cannot believe the general would "farm" the tranny out to a "jap" company!..(aisin!)..don't understand why warner didn't get the contract!
apparently the "bean" counters got involved!...remember!..it's a chevy!,and NOT a caddy!..guess that might explain why!

A few things...CAFE ratings are already in effect. And GM's far smarter than you or I to let those standards ruin any of their vehicles. They will move to make the appropriate changes in their portfolio in order to achieve the fleet average. For the record on this matter, GM's never failed to meet the standard.

V8s, and especially V6s will not be going anywhere for some many decades to come...There's no foundation for those kind of foreboding statements. Become less common? Maybe. But certainly not disappear.

Also...General Motors 'farms' out MANY parts and services to different parts of the world. Warner, who actually makes the Tremec unit in Mexico...possibly didn't make a transmission to spec for the V6 application. It probably has little to do with the accountants, since that philosophy is largely behind the company. Oh....and by the way, that Aisin transmission is also used in the Cadillac CTS.

Originally Posted by 08-G35s/6MT

So the new engine is a 3.0 liter ??? Or just a modified version of the current 3.6 ???

It's definitely a 3.6, but I think it shares more in common with the Caddy's 3.0L than our current LLT.

Originally Posted by garcmol

I asked that on page 1. All specs are for a 3.0. Wanted to know if this is just a math equation to come up with these numbers, or is the 3.6 in prototype.

It was all an equation. Outside of the "3.6L LFX" designation uncovered, there is currently no 3.6L with all those specs in use within the company. So this would be brand new...and I used some conservative math to guess at the power output.

Originally Posted by camarochris1974

i know the 3.6 gm is using now is a high compression engine that doesn't require high octane fuel due to it being direct injection allows it to run on the cheap stuff. i see the new engine is also direct injection also. the high compression is helping it make the power with 89 octane

Right, and something to think about, the Camaro's V6 (LLT), has a compression ratio of 11.3:1, while the LF1 has a Compression Ratio of an even higher 11.7:1!!

Originally Posted by starbuck62

do the 2010/2011 Camaro SSs run on E85? If they do, can you not just tune them to run more effectively for E85?

No, they aren't equipped from the factory with the necessary hoses and sensors to run E85.

[a_Username]

Idk remember if this was asked or not, but is this supposed to replace the LLT or just be another option?

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by a_Username

Idk remember if this was asked or not, but is this supposed to replace the LLT or just be another option?

We're thinking it's a replacement.

[Zabo]

Originally Posted by a_Username

Idk remember if this was asked or not, but is this supposed to replace the LLT or just be another option?

More likely than not outright replace the LLT for cost reasons. To have three drivetrains for the Camaro would be pushing efficiency and flexibility, something that is pretty damn important when GM designs cars now.

Gone are the days of the I-rawn dook, 2.8L, 3.1L, 5.0L, L98 options in one or more model years.

[efpardo]

HP is nice but what happened to the torque?

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by efpardo

HP is nice but what happened to the torque?

It may not change much, using the same math. Torque is a real measure of an engine's output...hp is a measure of power that's more fun to reference, though.

There's still a ton that's unknown about this engine...we'll have to wait and see what they do with it.

[efpardo]

yeah, I guess so. I'm still happy with what I've got. For now.

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by efpardo

HP is nice but what happened to the torque?

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

It may not change much, using the same math. Torque is a real measure of an engine's output...hp is a measure of power that's more fun to reference, though.

There's still a ton that's unknown about this engine...we'll have to wait and see what they do with it.

This is what I'm worried about. The magazines, ford guys, dodge guys, and everyone else will feel even better about themselves if chevy advertises a "330" or whatever horse V6, that is basically very little to no faster than the current car. Current LLT makes 278 torque (if I remember correctly) and that much more than the current 3.0. Hopefully the new engine will also have more torque than the LLT...

...or if anything, hopefull they offer a gearing option!