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HDRDTD · 07-23-2012, 02:56 PM

Here's another thought. What if........
In addition to getting the OP back up and running in a short period of time to put and end to his frustration and get the issue taken care of, perhaps GM also wanted to get their hands on his old engine so they can take it back to the lab to investigate the oil seepage more in depth for engineering purposes?

In that case, just replacing the engine is a win win for both the OP and GM.

Plus it may help GM figure out what went wrong so they can be on the lookout for the problem/failure in the future as well as make whatever engineering/production changes neccessary to prevent someone else from having the same issue.

Just a thought.

CAM ZL1 · 07-23-2012, 03:58 PM

I was informed by the dealership today that the motor swap is taking longer than expected because the crate motor that was delivered is a CTS-V LSA. The Service Manager said the oil pan from the old motor needs to be transferred. I was wondering if anybody knows a more specific list of differences between the CTS-V LSA and the ZL1 LSA. It seems like this ZL1 is going to be quite unique.

Also, someone asked about my ZL1 VIN number. It is #1526. I would like to keep tabs on it if in fact someone purchases down the road.

armysig · 07-23-2012, 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CAM ZL1

I was informed by the dealership today that the motor swap is taking longer than expected because the crate motor that was delivered is a CTS-V LSA. The Service Manager said the oil pan from the old motor needs to be transferred. I was wondering if anybody knows a more specific list of differences between the CTS-V LSA and the ZL1 LSA. It seems like this ZL1 is going to be quite unique.

Also, someone asked about my ZL1 VIN number. It is #1526. I would like to keep tabs on it if in fact someone purchases down the road.

Does the CTS-V LSA get built the same? Does it go through the Deck plate honing process like the ZL-1 LSA? If not that would be a huge concern.

Russell James · 07-23-2012, 04:32 PM

One of my friends is a service manager. I just called him and asked him to look up a ZL1 engine. He said there is a note on that part number that says to swap over the - oil pan, oil deflector, oil pickup, and balancer for Camaro applications.

So they should have known at time of ordering that those items need to be swapped over and ordered any needed gaskets/orings to come in with the engine.

rwb2035 · 07-23-2012, 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Russell James

One of my friends is a service manager. I just called him and asked him to look up a ZL1 engine. He said there is a note on that part number that says to swap over the - oil pan, oil deflector, oil pickup, and balancer for Camaro applications.

So they should have known at time of ordering that those items need to be swapped over and ordered any needed gaskets/orings to come in with the engine.

Bad@ssCamaro · 07-24-2012, 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CAM ZL1

I was informed by the dealership today that the motor swap is taking longer than expected because the crate motor that was delivered is a CTS-V LSA. The Service Manager said the oil pan from the old motor needs to be transferred. I was wondering if anybody knows a more specific list of differences between the CTS-V LSA and the ZL1 LSA. It seems like this ZL1 is going to be quite unique.

Also, someone asked about my ZL1 VIN number. It is #1526. I would like to keep tabs on it if in fact someone purchases down the road.

Will it have 24 less horsepower & 5 lbs. less of torque too?

DangerZL1 · 07-24-2012, 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Bad@ssCamaro

Will it have 24 less horsepower & 5 lbs. less of torque too?

The extra HP over the CTS-V is due to the intake, exhaust, and supercharger differences. The long block should the same, except as mentioned.

imstillhere · 07-25-2012, 02:31 PM

hope everything works out for you cam.

CAM ZL1 · 07-26-2012, 03:19 PM

Yesterday the service department completed the re-assembly, and performed a more extensive test drive.

I drove it for several hours and sure enough more oil coming from the same relative area as before.

Fourth attempt now and finally GM is sending some engineers to oversee the issue.

Rob07002 · 07-26-2012, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CAM ZL1

Yesterday the service department completed the re-assembly, and performed a more extensive test drive.

I drove it for several hours and sure enough more oil coming from the same relative area as before.

Fourth attempt now and finally GM is sending some engineers to oversee the issue.

Wow! I am so sorry you are going through this. And this is happening with a new replacement motor? 100% it's motor oil and nothing else? I would start by looking what was reused. Didn't you have to use your old oil pan? What else? To have 2 new motors do the same thing is against the odds. Defective oil pan gets my vote.

CAM ZL1 · 07-26-2012, 03:52 PM

What I am hearing from the Service Manager, Service Technician, and my own thinking, is that in periods of high internal pressure (5,000 RPM+), the oil pressure in the motor or something associated with the excess of boost from the supercharger is causing oil to leak from one or more of the seals.

How many people here have actually driven their ZL1's close to the point of full throttle red line shifts ("like you stole it")?

*Mr. Wyndham* · 07-26-2012, 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CAM ZL1

What I am hearing from the Service Manager, Service Technician, and my own thinking, is that in periods of high internal pressure (5,000 RPM+), the oil pressure in the motor or something associated with the excess of boost from the supercharger is causing oil to leak from one or more of the seals.

How many people here have actually driven their ZL1's close to the point of full throttle red line shifts ("like you stole it")?

Many many times...4000 miles later and it's bone dry underneath....

Did they give you an time estimate for a field engineer?

Scrappy Doo · 07-26-2012, 04:12 PM

This is really terrible.

I know it's not what you want, but it maybe time to see if they will buy it back or get you a '13.

CAM ZL1 · 07-26-2012, 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Many many times...4000 miles later and it's bone dry underneath....

Did they give you an time estimate for a field engineer?

No word yet, I am only an hour or two North of Detroit so I would assume tomorrow. The Service Manager left it untouched so whoever needs to look at it can see it as is. Unfortunately that also means it's no farther to repaired until the engineers do arrive. I haven't had my car over a weekend in a month though so I should be used to it right.

07-23-2012, 03:58 PM	#226
CAM ZL1 CAM ZL1 Drives: 2012 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: MidMichigan Posts: 36	Progress I was informed by the dealership today that the motor swap is taking longer than expected because the crate motor that was delivered is a CTS-V LSA. The Service Manager said the oil pan from the old motor needs to be transferred. I was wondering if anybody knows a more specific list of differences between the CTS-V LSA and the ZL1 LSA. It seems like this ZL1 is going to be quite unique. Also, someone asked about my ZL1 VIN number. It is #1526. I would like to keep tabs on it if in fact someone purchases down the road. __________________ "It's like the SS, just meaner."

07-26-2012, 03:19 PM	#233
CAM ZL1 CAM ZL1 Drives: 2012 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: MidMichigan Posts: 36	Update Yesterday the service department completed the re-assembly, and performed a more extensive test drive. I drove it for several hours and sure enough more oil coming from the same relative area as before. Fourth attempt now and finally GM is sending some engineers to oversee the issue. __________________ "It's like the SS, just meaner."

07-26-2012, 03:52 PM	#235
CAM ZL1 CAM ZL1 Drives: 2012 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: MidMichigan Posts: 36	Survey What I am hearing from the Service Manager, Service Technician, and my own thinking, is that in periods of high internal pressure (5,000 RPM+), the oil pressure in the motor or something associated with the excess of boost from the supercharger is causing oil to leak from one or more of the seals. How many people here have actually driven their ZL1's close to the point of full throttle red line shifts ("like you stole it")? __________________ "It's like the SS, just meaner."

07-23-2012, 02:56 PM	#225
HDRDTD Drives: 2013 Triple Black ZL1 Vert M6 ECF Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Trenton, Michigan Posts: 7,047	Here's another thought. What if........ In addition to getting the OP back up and running in a short period of time to put and end to his frustration and get the issue taken care of, perhaps GM also wanted to get their hands on his old engine so they can take it back to the lab to investigate the oil seepage more in depth for engineering purposes? In that case, just replacing the engine is a win win for both the OP and GM. Plus it may help GM figure out what went wrong so they can be on the lookout for the problem/failure in the future as well as make whatever engineering/production changes neccessary to prevent someone else from having the same issue. Just a thought.

07-23-2012, 04:32 PM	#228
Russell James Drives: '15 SS 1LE, '69 Z28 drag car Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Mich Posts: 4,482	One of my friends is a service manager. I just called him and asked him to look up a ZL1 engine. He said there is a note on that part number that says to swap over the - oil pan, oil deflector, oil pickup, and balancer for Camaro applications. So they should have known at time of ordering that those items need to be swapped over and ordered any needed gaskets/orings to come in with the engine.

07-25-2012, 02:31 PM	#232
imstillhere Account Suspended Drives: saturn Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: TX Posts: 25	hope everything works out for you cam.

07-26-2012, 04:12 PM	#237
Scrappy Doo Drives: Callaway Rogue Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: W8n 4 Snow, Minnesota Posts: 4,738	This is really terrible. I know it's not what you want, but it maybe time to see if they will buy it back or get you a '13.