HOT ROD Magazine verifies GT500's 650HP - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

OldJedi · 01-28-2012, 01:30 PM

The March issue of HOT ROD magazine did a large write up on the 5.8 S/C GT500 engine. Certification testing was being conducted and they ran the engine for 250 hours at 6250 RPM. Included were pictures of the dyno test showing the 650HP reached. It also made 670HP at the engine's redline of 7000 RPM. It's max torque comes in at a very low 2000 RPM. Whether you are a Chevy fan or a Ford fan, you have to be impressed that Ford is able to make this kind of horsepower and still avoid the Gas Guzzler Tax. How well the GT500 is able to handle all of this new found power is a totally different can of worms. But for those of us that questioned whether the 650HP number was legit, it does appear to be so for the moment. I still believe the ZL1 will be a much better car all around but whether it can take the GT500 in a straight line remains to be seen.

HumanWiki · 01-28-2012, 01:50 PM

Peak TQ at 2000 on the mark? That's low....

ShnOmac · 01-28-2012, 01:57 PM

That is impressive but it's still not a Camaro.

OldJedi · 01-28-2012, 01:59 PM

I believe it said around 550 pounds of torque at 2000 RPM. I do not remember of that was peak torque or not.

True, it will never be a Camaro.

snapp32e · 01-28-2012, 02:03 PM

You have to give credit where credit is do so as far as the performance numbers go on the Ford 5.8L , good job. Hopefully the engineers are able to use all the power it makes and manage to keep eveything together internally and behind the motor. I still have a small issue with the fact the chasis was originally designed for a 300hp V8 and is now sporting more than double that. I for one like overkill in the strength of a cars frame but at more than twice the original power now there can't be any left?

HumanWiki · 01-28-2012, 02:06 PM

It will need a serious suspension and tcs for power that low.

MauriSSio · 01-28-2012, 02:44 PM

it matches the previous GT500's 5.4's peak torque (510lbs.ft) at only 2000rpm and produces its peak torque of 600@4000rpm

MauriSSio · 01-28-2012, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by snapp32e

.... I still have a small issue with the fact the chasis was originally designed for a 300hp V8 and is now sporting more than double that...?

how do you know the chassis wasnt designed with a higher hp v8 in mind but just threw in a 300hp engine because that was all they needed at the time?

ShnOmac · 01-28-2012, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MauriSSio

how do you know the chassis wasnt designed with a higher hp v8 in mind but just threw in a 300hp engine because that was all they needed at the time?

You will twist anything into a "debate"..... good grief.

Transdamm · 01-28-2012, 04:28 PM

I am a GM fan through and though.. And am Watering over a blue 13' ZL1. But the GT really has me thinking hard! Never owned a ford, never thought I would.. I guess will see what the 13'Zl1 has to offer.

Apex Motorsports · 01-28-2012, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by MauriSSio

how do you know the chassis wasnt designed with a higher hp v8 in mind but just threw in a 300hp engine because that was all they needed at the time?

Because even the 300hp version has traction issues. Mustangs have been plagued with traction problems for years and adding power only makes it worse. If they can get this thing to stick it will be a monster, but that is a big if. I suspect that is why GM is so confident in the ZL1.

PS: I would be happy to do some long term field testing and reviews on the ZL1 if anyone at the mother ship wants to drop one off.

I'll be sure to park it right next to Apex Paul's Mustang.

*Mr. Wyndham* · 01-28-2012, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Transdamm

I am a GM fan through and though.. And am Watering over a blue 13' ZL1. But the GT really has me thinking hard! Never owned a ford, never thought I would.. I guess will see what the 13'Zl1 has to offer.

Are you looking for something in particular more than what the '12 MY already offers?

MauriSSio · 01-28-2012, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ShnOmac

You will twist anything into a "debate"..... good grief.

there's no twisting, it's a valid straight forward question.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Apex Chase

Because even the 300hp version has traction issues. Mustangs have been plagued with traction problems for years and adding power only makes it worse. If they can get this thing to stick it will be a monster, but that is a big if. I suspect that is why GM is so confident in the ZL1.

PS: I would be happy to do some long term field testing and reviews on the ZL1 if anyone at the mother ship wants to drop one off.

I'll be sure to park it right next to Apex Paul's Mustang.

seems like all thats really needed is tires. There are people running 11's@117 in stock 444hp boss mustangs with only a tire upgrade. Traction is an issue im sure but if there are people clicking off what im guessing is 1.7-1.8 60' times on drag radials in an otherwise stock car, i would say the chassis is plenty capable

*Mr. Wyndham* · 01-28-2012, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MauriSSio

seems like all thats really needed is tires. There are people running 11's@117 in stock boss mustangs with only a tire upgrade. Traction is an issue im sure but if there are people clicking off what im guessing is 1.7-1.8 60' times on drag radials in an otherwise stock car, i would say the chassis is plenty capable

Chassis integrity is much more important (and noticeable) on a road course rather than a drag strip. Evidenced by the Boss's performance versus the ZL1 in the Motortrend article.

That said...being able to swap tires and get better times isn't evidence of a vehicle's chassis capability. Only that sticky tires = better traction, which is true of any car.

01-28-2012, 01:30 PM	#1
OldJedi Use the Force Drives: 2015 Corvette Z51, 2018 Porsche GTS Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Davie, Fl. Posts: 3,862	HOT ROD Magazine verifies GT500's 650HP The March issue of HOT ROD magazine did a large write up on the 5.8 S/C GT500 engine. Certification testing was being conducted and they ran the engine for 250 hours at 6250 RPM. Included were pictures of the dyno test showing the 650HP reached. It also made 670HP at the engine's redline of 7000 RPM. It's max torque comes in at a very low 2000 RPM. Whether you are a Chevy fan or a Ford fan, you have to be impressed that Ford is able to make this kind of horsepower and still avoid the Gas Guzzler Tax. How well the GT500 is able to handle all of this new found power is a totally different can of worms. But for those of us that questioned whether the 650HP number was legit, it does appear to be so for the moment. I still believe the ZL1 will be a much better car all around but whether it can take the GT500 in a straight line remains to be seen. __________________ Walk softly, carry a light saber and drive a ZL1!

01-28-2012, 01:59 PM	#4
OldJedi Use the Force Drives: 2015 Corvette Z51, 2018 Porsche GTS Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Davie, Fl. Posts: 3,862	I believe it said around 550 pounds of torque at 2000 RPM. I do not remember of that was peak torque or not. True, it will never be a Camaro. __________________ Walk softly, carry a light saber and drive a ZL1!

01-28-2012, 02:03 PM	#5
snapp32e Drives: '81-Z28/'07-Tundra/'12-ZL1/'13-Jeep Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Canada Posts: 529	You have to give credit where credit is do so as far as the performance numbers go on the Ford 5.8L , good job. Hopefully the engineers are able to use all the power it makes and manage to keep eveything together internally and behind the motor. I still have a small issue with the fact the chasis was originally designed for a 300hp V8 and is now sporting more than double that. I for one like overkill in the strength of a cars frame but at more than twice the original power now there can't be any left? __________________ ZL1 #612

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