12-08-2009, 11:46 AM | #29 |
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dude...how many times did he write NO TUNE???
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12-08-2009, 11:54 AM | #30 |
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since he was so tired last night I think he made have written it once and copy/paste it everywhere else.
I really would have loved VR to be part of the comparison. I guess well have to hope for another. I'm still getting a OTR regardless.
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12-08-2009, 12:14 PM | #31 |
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I truly want to believe the posted power numbers, but I'll wait for the hype to slow and the production models to get into the hands of the users.
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12-08-2009, 12:20 PM | #32 |
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Tag nice info i am still hopping for the web site to update sone as i think a lot of the info some members want is on the new pages.
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12-08-2009, 12:56 PM | #33 | |||
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Yes, the intake actually takes a small part of the tune since there is play with the MAF. Quote:
I'm sure Ted wants to get his hands on one too. Heck, we all would. Give it time and you will see. That's all I can say. I know it's hard to believe...for a lot of people. But, I have proof...and I posted video to prove what the intake can do on my car...on a dynojet...with proper corrections to be load bearing...land and sea. These are real #'s and real world gains (minus the fact that the vararam unit actually performs better when at actual speeds). You will also see on the site when it gets put up. I completely understand your skepticism and have nothing but respect for your apprehension. Just wait...you'll see (and I know we've been saying a lot of that lately). ;laugh: Site is done. Corrections being made. Will be up shortly. Quote:
Again, it's all good. You will understand more clearly when the site gets up and the units ship out. Money back guarantee....solidifies it. Hope they get it done soon too! I can only see people's eyes as they look at the screen and say, "woah!" |
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12-08-2009, 01:37 PM | #34 | |
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Patrick will not let something go out the door that he is not 100% happy with. What I can tell you is that the pre-orders will be shipping soon and those that have been patiently waiting for it will be happy. I'll dig up your run in a minute and get the raw data posted on the gains per rpm. Jason
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12-08-2009, 01:46 PM | #35 |
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So Jason is your shop where Patrick has done all the dyno testing? I have talked to him on the phone and the L99 model looks to kick some real butt. Can't wait to get mine.
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12-08-2009, 01:47 PM | #36 | |
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Anytime the MAF is moved, relocated ,resized or reshaped the entire curve will be changed and the entire system must be rescaled vs OEM to keep it within tolerance. The Term "Tricking the meter" is not an accurate statement because any good design will follow OEM tolerance regardless of MAF location size or shape. That is just one aspect of how a proper induction system is designed. This is not an overnight process it takes time and thousands of miles of testing. This is what we have spent our time doing with A6 and 6sp manual cars. (There was no Knock of any kind and there has not been on any car in testing.) As for power delivered more with headers less without etc... the setup you see is beyond conservative, you could run 89 Octane fuel through it and we have without any knock in 100 deg Texas weather. because it is so conservative I know that we can easily pull another 5hp and 6-7 ftlbs out of it and even that will still be conservative. (Filter Flow)The Filters height of 3.0inch is a none issue ,this is for another reason that you will see listed on our site later when it goes live. ( filters are 1400-2000CFM) Heres the thing guys, This is one of the lowest Before and after Dyno numbers for a 6sp Man that we have on file! (His Torque gain was low) We wanted to start him off soft to verify where the car was ,then turn it up, turns out we had alot left. Due to the Camaros weight ( 3,800lbs)The system is designed to produce greater Torque than HP gains. There are many features that make that happen but one was to give up peak HP and concentrate on 4500-5500RPM rather than a 5500-5800RPM peak numbers. Our goal was to build a broad fat power curve ,as an Engine development Engineer who specializes in induction system design, I pride myself on it. This is a Tuned Induction system, not a cone with a pipe! Peak numbers will never make for a quick car at 3,800lbs! We could easily custom tune this car for another 10-15HP even after we lean on it from the numbers listed. If peak numbers are all that is wanted ....thats easy ,We can switch the aero package around back to our original prototype combination and gain another 6-8hp but we will lose Our broad power curve and the car will not be any quicker. WE will gain more from each kit ,once the car is on the move from the Ram Effect ,which we limited in the design of the system for a specific gain in flow resulting in a drop in D/A inside the plenum of the intake manifold. Best Regards VR Tech |
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12-08-2009, 01:57 PM | #37 |
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I can not answer that 100%. There has been significant testing here and there have been some Beta units sent out to various parts of the country for testing.
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12-08-2009, 02:07 PM | #38 | |
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12-08-2009, 02:11 PM | #39 |
Looks like we have a lot to look forward too. When do they finally ship? Is this the last stage of testing?
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12-08-2009, 03:19 PM | #40 |
GOT IT....LOVE IT!!!
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VR - Thanks for the detail and info behind the design. As an Engineer I appericate what you've done and how you've done it. Can't wait to get this baby running!
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12-08-2009, 03:29 PM | #41 |
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I'm ready for some L99 numbers now...
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12-08-2009, 03:41 PM | #42 |
Go Blue!!!!!
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I thought there was going to be some runs on completly stock vehicles?
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