Can't Decide - Auto or Manual

[BeermanSS]

If you actually take care of your car, the maintainance on a auto is higher. What are you talking about changing a clutch on a manual at a recommended 50k. Do you guys not know anything about cars? Are any of you real car guys? Maintain your car properly. Change your auto fluid at recommended intervals. Don't be one of those retards that runs 100k on it. Listen, decide whatever you want. But don't make statements like these. Yeah if I don't maintain it properly, and its a car where the manual costs more, and assuming he never has to rebuild the auto for having done so, and blah blah blah. Of course it'll cost less, my god. I'm talking about a car guy, who maintains his cars properly. It will cost him less for a manual than an auto. But I will agree with this. If you can't drive a manual, don't get one.

[fastball]

Originally Posted by BeermanSS

If you actually take care of your car, the maintainance on a auto is higher. What are you talking about changing a clutch on a manual at a recommended 50k. Do you guys not know anything about cars? Are any of you real car guys? Maintain your car properly. Change your auto fluid at recommended intervals. Don't be one of those retards that runs 100k on it. Listen, decide whatever you want. But don't make statements like these. Yeah if I don't maintain it properly, and its a car where the manual costs more, and assuming he never has to rebuild the auto for having done so, and blah blah blah. Of course it'll cost less, my god. I'm talking about a car guy, who maintains his cars properly. It will cost him less for a manual than an auto. But I will agree with this. If you can't drive a manual, don't get one.

Exactly. Someone who knows how to drive a stick can get 150-200k out of the clutch if they are easy on it, and even if they're doing 4000 rpm drops at every red light, they should still get 100k out of the stock factory clutch if they know how to use it.

Likewise, someone who doesn't know how to drive stick properly and never learns could blow the tension springs out just puling out of the dealer parking lot the day they sign the papers for the car. Or if they half way figure out how to drive one, they may make it to 50k before wearing down the plate and flywheel from slipping it too often.


Bottom line: a stick driven by someone who knows how to drive it will have no maintenance costs for a long time. And if/when the time does come for a new clutch, you can get it done for $400-800.

An automatic has maintenance intervals for fluid and filter changes, and when/if an automatic breaks, you are looking at a minimum $1500.00 to rebuild it (probably more with the 6 speed sportshift that's in the Camaro).

An automatic is always more expensive to own in the long run.

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by BeermanSS

If you actually take care of your car, the maintainance on a auto is higher. What are you talking about changing a clutch on a manual at a recommended 50k. Do you guys not know anything about cars? Are any of you real car guys? Maintain your car properly. Change your auto fluid at recommended intervals. Don't be one of those retards that runs 100k on it. Listen, decide whatever you want. But don't make statements like these. Yeah if I don't maintain it properly, and its a car where the manual costs more, and assuming he never has to rebuild the auto for having done so, and blah blah blah. Of course it'll cost less, my god. I'm talking about a car guy, who maintains his cars properly. It will cost him less for a manual than an auto. But I will agree with this. If you can't drive a manual, don't get one.

ok... ill use your 100k for reference for the manual and 50k for the auto

AUTO:
$80.00 for filter/fluid.... X2 = $160.00

MANUAL:
$300.00+ clutch/fluid not to mention the master cyl, tob, lines, etc.


300
-160
-----
140 hmmmmmm....still see the manual costing more.



and as ive already stated, rebuilding the auto is more costly than the manual. and about the driving 100k statement... apparently you didnt read what i said. here, I'll quote it for you and highlight my personal feelings on it for you...

and keep in mind that a lot of people drive their autos for 100k's of miles without changing the fluid (not that I recommend that).

my point in stating that is the fact that just because someone buys a camaro, or a mustang, or a corvette, or a charger or what the hell ever, does not mean that they are a "car guy" or that they know enough about cars in general to know or even care to check up on their fluids and whatnot. too many times i see sports cars in the parking lots with nearly flat tires cus the owners dont care enough to check. and while it sucks to see that someone would be willing to put forth the effort to buy the car but not enough to keep it in good condition, thats the way the world works. I can guarantee you there will be plenty of people who buy this car that will never change the trans fluid in the entire time they own it.

as stated before, I dont recommend nor support that mentality, but I know all too well that it will still happen despite my best efforts to increase others' awarenesses.

[Mr Twisty]

I think some of you guys are scaring off folks that may be considering a stick for the first time. Manual trannies are NOT rocket science. The only folks that don't know how to shift a manual are the ones that have never driven/been taught to drive, a manual. After a few short weeks of constantly driving it, they're more than adequate. Poor habits fry clutches.

You drive a stick for the first time. You pop the clutch, (let the pedal out too fast) the car stalls, you say, "guess I better not do that anymore." Then you give it too much gas and put a lil meat on the road, it's fun, but you say "guess I better not do that anymore." (Yeah right) You learn in time what to do and not to do. One thing that works but you should never do is RIDE THE CLUTCH! it should be 'efficiently' let all the way out everytime. Riding the clutch is way too slooowly letting out the clutch pedal while accelerating, causing friction/heat/wear between the flywheel and clutch.

If you want a manual, get a manual. Just make sure you have someone to show you how to do it right.

The ladies in my house know how, but they say it's too much extra to do while driving. The men in my family, well, let's just say 'he's his fathers son'

"HIT IT! HIT IT WITH A BIG STICK! ok, that's enough, we're gonna twist something"

[TheClassicCarKid]

Manuals are fun.

All it took me to learn was about an hour and some rubber : )

[Mr. Wyndham]

Just saying...

Originally Posted by 6L80

Low maintenance
For severe use, DEXRON® VI fluid changes are the only maintenance recommended.
For normal use there is no fluid change scheduled.

http://media.gm.com/us/powertrain/en...8_6L80_MYC.doc

[rolnslo]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Just saying...


http://media.gm.com/us/powertrain/en...8_6L80_MYC.doc

Wow, that transmission is strange. No fluid changes in normal usage? That's going to cut into the service department's revenue.

The 6L80 transmission requires an unusual process
for checking its fluid level. Many 6L80 applications don’t
have a dipstick; there’s a plug in the dipstick hole. The
plug can be removed and the hole used as a fill point for
transmission fluid (Figure 2). Here’s how to check the fluid level:

Bring the transmission fluid temperature between 86º–
122ºF (30º–50ºC). You can verify this using a scan tool, the
driver information center, or the transmission gauge.

If the transmission has a dipstick, use that to check the
fluid level; on applications without a dipstick:
• Park the vehicle on level ground.
• Start the engine and let it idle.
• Shift the transmission through each range, pausing in each
range for about 3 seconds to give the clutches a chance to
fill.
• Place the transmission in park.
• Remove the level control plug located in the transmission
oil pan.

The fluid should drip out the level control
hole. If so, the fluid level is okay.

Ø If fluid doesn’t drip from the level control hole,
add Dexron VI until fluid starts to drip from the
hole.

Ø If fluid runs from the hole, wait until the fluid
stops running out to lower the fluid to the
proper level.

The level is correct when fluid drips from the hole.
If a steady stream is present or no flow is present the
fluid level is incorrect. Readjust the fluid level, and reinstall the fill plug
and the level control plug. You can add fluid through the dipstick
hole or through the level control hole.

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Just saying...

http://media.gm.com/us/powertrain/en...8_6L80_MYC.doc

thanks dragon...

[Camaro_Corvette]

Manual

[Wm Holden]

My auto is faster then the sticks...and MUCH more consistant.

I LOVE it when my times are different only by my reaction.

[TheClassicCarKid]

Originally Posted by Wm Holden

My auto is faster then the sticks...and MUCH more consistant.

I LOVE it when my times are different only by my reaction.

Do you have the stock transmission built up or did you get a whole new one?

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by Wm Holden

My auto is faster then the sticks...and MUCH more consistant.

I LOVE it when my times are different only by my reaction.

holden, you should know by now that no one cares about consistency. autos are for old ladies and track queens

you cant spell manual without man.....


















jk... I've got mad respect for some of the things you've done with your cars.


and while manuals are fun, losing isnt. id rather be called a girl for driving an auto....

esp when my reverse manual v/b, stalled auto with a t/b blows the doors off manual guys.

[Supermans]

OK, lets get off the auto's are for little girls tagline even though it is funny and makes for lighthearted comedy within a thread if nobody gets personally offended by it. Most people on the planet drive auto's now and I don't blame them. On a dragstrip, auto's get more consistent and faster times than manuals as was proven by holden above.. This is an indisputable fact. Stock auto vs stock manual and the manual is faster.. Manuals are more fun to drive is debatable. I personally want to buy a manual because like headpunter, I have never owned one but have driven one and it is more fun. I'll have to rethink that after I get stuck in my first bumper to bumper rush hour traffic jam.. I keep hearing that the novelty of it all wears off after a few months and even some on this forum switch to an auto shortly after.. We'll just have to see how things go and continue to debate this age old discussion of which one to get...

[camaro5]

Originally Posted by Supermans

OK, lets get off the auto's are for little girls tagline even though it is funny and makes for lighthearted comedy within a thread if nobody gets personally offended by it. Most people on the planet drive auto's now and I don't blame them. On a dragstrip, auto's get more consistent and faster times than manuals as was proven by holden above.. This is an indisputable fact. Stock auto vs stock manual and the manual is faster.. Manuals are more fun to drive is debatable. I personally want to buy a manual because like headpunter, I have never owned one but have driven one and it is more fun. I'll have to rethink that after I get stuck in my first bumper to bumper rush hour traffic jam.. I keep hearing that the novelty of it all wears off after a few months and even some on this forum switch to an auto shortly after.. We'll just have to see how things go and continue to debate this age old discussion of which one to get...

Dude, I'm a hard-core manual fan, but if you think you're going to be in stop and go traffic more than once and awhile, you will HATE the manual. Nothing like clutching that thing over and over again, not to metion wear and tear.

If it's part of your commute (stop and go), I recommend you get auto. Your legs, knees, and brain will thank you.