2010 GT500

[mitchell87]

How about we just wait for the performance tests to come out, and see what happens then?

The other thing that no one has really talked about(mostly because this is a camaro forum) is the base corvette. I believe a base vette is in the low 50K area. It has been tested at 0-60 in 4.1 seconds. Yes they are in a little different class because of the 2+2 configuration on the stang compared to the 2 seats on the vette, but they are both very fast, good looking cars

Appreciate the respect all you guys are showing

[VICTORY RED 1SS]

Yecch. I like the looks of the 08 better. the front on this looks like a bass. Congrats to Ford on the power level offered on these though....

[garagelogic]

Originally Posted by mitchell87

How about we just wait for the performance tests to come out, and see what happens then?

The other thing that no one has really talked about(mostly because this is a camaro forum) is the base corvette. I believe a base vette is in the low 50K area. It has been tested at 0-60 in 4.1 seconds. Yes they are in a little different class because of the 2+2 configuration on the stang compared to the 2 seats on the vette, but they are both very fast, good looking cars

Appreciate the respect all you guys are showing

Because the Corvette has nothing to bring to a discussion about Camaro's, Mustang's and Challenger's. The only time is is even brought into these discussions is just to prove that GM has a performance car that will trump the Ford's GT500 stock-for-stock.

[str8himalaya]

Originally Posted by garagelogic

Document fees are 100% dealer profit and you should be able to get out of them altogether if you will just hold your ground in the finance department. Most dealers wait to spring this on you right before you sign for the car knowing full well 99.9% of buyers will not walk out on the deal for a few hundred dollars. I've walked away from at least 3 deals, in the finance office, due to "doc fees". In each case, the dealer agreed not to charge me the fee. You have to remember, the dealer has time and money tied up in the deal too, and they don't want to walk away from a sure sale either.

All the other drivel aside, why do so many people quote the base price (employee base price, at that) of a 2SS Camaro [$30,738.45] and then use the fully loaded MSRP for the GT500 when making comparisons?

Here is the reality, based on MSRP of a fully-optioned car from each camp (using Edmunds.com):

A fully optioned GT500 has an MSRP of $51,575


A fully optioned 2SS has an MSRP of $39,595


That is not a $19K difference, it's $11,980. Yes, that is still a pretty big gap in price, nobody can argue that, but please, let's dispense with the idea that the MSRP on a 2SS is going to be $31K.

You do understand that the 1SS starts at 31k right? Thats what i'm talking about. If you find a GT500 at MSRP, i would be really suprised. That is what i'm saying, a car that is 31k vs. a car that is 45-50k after markup. That is a lot of mods, and dollar for dollar, the camaro can be the better car.

[nester7929]

Originally Posted by str8himalaya

You do understand that the 1SS starts at 31k right? Thats what i'm talking about. If you find a GT500 at MSRP, i would be really suprised. That is what i'm saying, a car that is 31k vs. a car that is 45-50k after markup. That is a lot of mods, and dollar for dollar, the camaro can be the better car.

And I can take 6k to my 25k Mustang GT and make it faster than an SS.

As it's been said many times on this forum, there's no sense in bringing mods to the table in terms of arguing which is the superior car.

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by nester7929

And I can take 6k to my 25k Mustang GT and make it faster than an SS.

As it's been said many times on this forum, there's no sense in bringing mods to the table in terms of arguing which is the superior car.

25k is not the price of a gt...

[GatorBlue371]

camaro is the best all around muscle car . Period.

[garagelogic]

Originally Posted by GatorBlue371

IMHO, the camaro is the best all around muscle car . Period.

Fixed that for you.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by GatorBlue371

camaro is the best all around muscle car . Period.

Jack of all trades. Master of many.

[GatorBlue371]

Originally Posted by garagelogic

Fixed that for you.

No need to edit


go ahead, weigh the power/price, the milage, the handling, everything. seriously, go for it. Really the only car that gives the SS a run for its money overall is the V6.

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Jack of all trades. Master of many.

ha glad to see the voice of reason agrees with me.

[garagelogic]

Originally Posted by str8himalaya

You do understand that the 1SS starts at 31k right? Thats what i'm talking about. If you find a GT500 at MSRP, i would be really suprised. That is what i'm saying, a car that is 31k vs. a car that is 45-50k after markup. That is a lot of mods, and dollar for dollar, the camaro can be the better car.

Yes, I am aware. In my exercise, I was simply comparing the price of a fully optioned representative of both cars in manual form (and also the one's offering the most horsepower available).

You can find GT500's at MSRP all day long in this day and age. Just like there are dealers that ask over MSRP on a GT500, so too will there be dealers that ask over MSRP on the SS Camaro.

Besides, we weren't talking about bang-for-the-buck anyway. The discussion was about the fact that GM does not offer a direct competitor to the GT500. I agree with everyone on this board that believes GM offers a better overall package in the new Camaro than Ford does with the Mustang.

I guess I can chalk you up as one of those people that can't stand the idea that Ford has a leg up on GM (and Chrysler) in the as-delivered-from-the-factory ponycar wars.

Originally Posted by GatorBlue371

go ahead, weigh the power/price, the milage, the handling, everything. seriously, go for it.

Well, once we actually have those numbers, we can do that until we're blue in the face, but since we don't have any factual numbers on the production Camaro's available yet, it would be an exercise in futility.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by garagelogic

...can't stand the idea that Ford has a leg up on GM (and Chrysler) in the as-delivered-from-the-factory ponycar wars.

I know this little bit wasn't directed at me...but I had to chime in...I assume you're talking about the new GT500, right? Because the current one is already bested by the Camaro SS. Personally, I see the recent upgrade as absolutely necessary to avoid total embarrassment.

All told, the new GT500 is probably going to be a little quicker than the Camaro SS.....but for $10,000+ difference...I still see the SS as the better deal even in that comparison.

[GatorBlue371]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

I know this little bit wasn't directed at me...but I had to chime in...I assume you're talking about the new GT500, right? Because the current one is already bested by the Camaro SS. Personally, I see the recent upgrade as absolutely necessary to avoid total embarrassment.

All told, the new GT500 is probably going to be a little quicker than the Camaro SS.....but for $10,000+ difference...I still see the SS as the better deal even in that comparison.

The SS will win every comparison with the GT, and more likely than not the GT500 because of the very similar performance for such a astronomical amount of more $$

Originally Posted by garagelogic

Well, once we actually have those numbers, we can do that until we're blue in the face, but since we don't have any factual numbers on the production Camaro's available yet, it would be an exercise in futility.

.... am i missing something or have you been under a rock for the last 6 months?

[garagelogic]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

...I assume you're talking about the new GT500, right? Because the current one is already bested by the Camaro SS.

I guess I missed that head-to-head matchup somehow. Do you have a link or video we can get educated from?

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

All told, the new GT500 is probably going to be a little quicker than the Camaro SS.....but for $10,000+ difference...I still see the SS as the better deal even in that comparison.

I don't see anyone saying it won't be.