New throttle body spacer from Vararam - my thoughts...

[Jason@JacFab]

Originally Posted by Mr_Draco

The thing about relying on track numbers, humans are very inconsistent beings. I've seen professionals very that much or more without changing anything on back to back to back runs so personally I don't put much weight in such a small difference and chalk a .08 difference to human nature.

I agree.

[E.T.]

Originally Posted by white 2SS/RS

Then one could also say "I don't see how this little spacer would make a car faster, all it can do is angle the air charge a little bit."

True. The engineers designed the car a certain way, and if we start changing things, we could also change the performance in a positive or negative way. This part has been out for a while now, but I've yet to see any really compelling evidence for it.

[IndeedSS1]

Originally Posted by E.T.

True. The engineers designed the car a certain way, and if we start changing things, we could also change the performance in a positive or negative way. This part has been out for a while now, but I've yet to see any really compelling evidence for it.

You missed the two members that did dyno pulls with and without?

I rotated the wedge to increase the angle that VR was trying to correct and it definitely made a negative difference, versus installed correctly.

[E.T.]

Those pulls were on heavily-modded cars though. Too many variables, IMO.

[IndeedSS1]

Originally Posted by E.T.

Those pulls were on heavily-modded cars though. Too many variables, IMO.

It shouldn't matter when it comes to gains or no gains.

Not directed at you, but I still don't get why people put their heads in the sand over a relatively inexpensive part that has a money back guarantee including shipping.

I decided not to spend my money doing dyno pulls so others can just poke holes in the process. My opinion is people should try it and say yay or nay based on first hand experience.

[apeko]

Maybe I should have just said that my car is so fricken fast now with the wedge I really feel it. Wow! The fact is thus far it has showed no performance gain at the track
If I would have came up with at least similar times I would be OK with it but it was significantly slower. If it does not make improvements at the track then there were no improvements.

[IndeedSS1]

Originally Posted by apeko

Maybe I should have just said that my car is so fricken fast now with the wedge I really feel it. Wow! The fact is thus far it has showed no performance gain at the track
If I would have came up with at least similar times I would be OK with it but it was significantly slower. If it does not make improvements at the track then there were no improvements.

At least you can send it back.

[apeko]

Originally Posted by IndeedSS1

At least you can send it back.

Yea....I am not complaining just reporting my findings. So far its just a bunch of people talking trash and no real tests such as a stock car on a dyno or track runs.

[sales@vararam.com]

Please see post #876 from this thread -independent dyno results from Lethal Racing. Check out the dyno results in this link
http://www.vararam.com/power-wedge.html

Call us at 866-507-2648 and we can help you see the results you are expecting !
Thanks
Steve
Vararam

[toehead93]

Originally Posted by IndeedSS1

You missed the two members that did dyno pulls with and without? )

Dyno pulls are inconstant also, even when done within mintues of each other. IMO the only true way to determine real gains is on an engine dyno following a strict set of standards for each pull. Chasis dynos are a tuning tool not a testing tool! There is a difference between the two. No one should ever look at a chassis dyno number as an accurate numbers, they are just provide general hp numbers, not accurate hp numbers.

[Higgs Boson]

My spacer is for sale since I am selling the car. PM me, 100 bucks shipped.

[IndeedSS1]

Originally Posted by Higgs Boson

My spacer is for sale since I am selling the car. PM me, 100 bucks shipped.

Does that include the car too? I would kick in a few extra bucks for shipping if it does.

[apeko]

Originally Posted by sales@vararam.com

Please see post #876 from this thread -independent dyno results from Lethal Racing. Check out the dyno results in this link
http://www.vararam.com/power-wedge.html

Call us at 866-507-2648 and we can help you see the results you are expecting !
Thanks
Steve
Vararam

Showing me a graph with 4 HP gain and saying that is proof that the wedge increases power is really not much different than me saying that the wedge caused me to loose .08s at the track. I watched people do repeated pulled on a duno and have as much as as 8 HP gains between the weakest pull and the strongest pull. So based on that you lost 4 HP in your test. I am not here to bad mouth the wedge or to say my time loss is definitely caused by the wedge. I would really like to see at least 3 pulls on a stock car then install the wedge and do 3 more pulls. That way a average can be taken and then comepaired to see if their were any gains. As it stands for me. I have multipal track runs showing slower times under similar conditions.

[IndeedSS1]

Originally Posted by toehead93

Dyno pulls are inconstant also, even when done within mintues of each other. IMO the only true way to determine real gains is on an engine dyno following a strict set of standards for each pull. Chasis dynos are a tuning tool not a testing tool! There is a difference between the two. No one should ever look at a chassis dyno number as an accurate numbers, they are just provide general hp numbers, not accurate hp numbers.

I agree, but no one is going to spend the money or waste the time to do that for an inexpensive part. Now if you were a shop already setup to do this then yes, but I've seen very few engine dyno testing done and it wasn't to test spacers, spark plugs, or cold air intakes.

There should be another dyno posting this morning done on a stock LS3 wedge versus no wedge.