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kiteman · 04-22-2011, 09:58 AM

i would urge you to go test drive a vette and ss in the same setting at the dealership one day. the difference between an ls3 vette and an ls3 camaro is astonishing--the vette is so much faster. don't let the numbers fool you, the z06 will outperform the zl1 in most categories, albeit a zl1 will probably be closer to the vette in terms of raw acceleration than it ever has been before.

Blackdevil77 · 04-22-2011, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by kiteman

i would urge you to go test drive a vette and ss in the same setting at the dealership one day. the difference between an ls3 vette and an ls3 camaro is astonishing--the vette is so much faster. don't let the numbers fool you, the z06 will outperform the zl1 in most categories, albeit a zl1 will probably be closer to the vette in terms of raw acceleration than it ever has been before.

Close to the base vette, or a Z06?

Rich1 · 04-22-2011, 10:58 AM

I am fortunate to have both. I have 2005 C6 vert. I have done mods to the Vette: headers, cam, exhaust, CAI, and tune. Even without those mods the Vette smokes my SS. I do love both cars though...

kiteman · 04-22-2011, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Blackdevil77

Close to the base vette, or a Z06?

i feel pretty confident the base vette won't be a match for a zl1. the z06 will be closer than you think.

sik68 · 04-22-2011, 03:45 PM

Using the GT500 as a reference point to the ZL1, here are 2 good articles:

Grand Sport vs. 2011 GT500
http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/co...d-shelby-gt500

Grand Sport vs. 2010 GT500
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...d_sport_page_3

lbls1 · 04-22-2011, 04:09 PM

Pretty impressive match and numbers. The Grand Sport barely held off the gt500. If the GT500 were lighter than it would've certainly dominated. The skidpad g's were impressive as well.

The zl1 has to be within 3900lbs in order to compete IMO. The caddy held off the gt500 with 4240 lbs (Motor Trend), but the zl1 has to expect a rebuttal from Ford.

Blackdevil77 · 04-22-2011, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by lbls1

Pretty impressive match and numbers. The Grand Sport barely held off the gt500. If the GT500 were lighter than it would've certainly dominated. The skidpad g's were impressive as well.

The zl1 has to be within 3900lbs in order to compete IMO. The caddy held off the gt500 with 4240 lbs (Motor Trend), but the zl1 has to expect a rebuttal from Ford.

That was only due to traction. The GT500's trap speed was actually higher. If the GT500 was able to hook, it would of beat the CTS-V

lbls1 · 04-22-2011, 04:29 PM

Ok makes sense since its 400lbs lighter. The zl1 vs. gt500 is looking to be a nail biter match.

ffrcobra_65 · 04-22-2011, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TheClassicCarKid

A 427 small block with 505 horsepower not enough for you after coming from a 2011 V6?

kid is too hooked on hp and forgetting a major factor in going fast, WEIGHT! The Corvette guys will always think the Corvette is superior and the Camaro guys will akways hope the vette guys can be proven wrong. Not gonna happen as long as there is a Z06, ZR1 around.

*Mr. Wyndham* · 04-23-2011, 09:12 PM

LS < SS < Base Vette < GS < ZL1 < Z06 < ZR1

There will always be overlap. It's inevitable when you get to these levels...not to mention it would be foolish to hold yourself back (you being GM, in this case) just because of another car in the showroom that also happens to be in a completely different class of automobile.

Not to mention....the Corvette is due for a new generation anytime, now........

I'm glad the guys in charge at Chevy/GM didn't restrict the Camaro team's potential due to the Corvette's existence.

EDIT: I'd argue the Camaro is a bit more valuable as a 'halo' car to Chevy dealers than the Corvette...Tom Henry or Becky from Rogers, or someone can correct me if I'm wrong.......when I talk to non-car-people...the consensus seems to be that the Corvette is unaffordable, impractical, and more of a pedestal "I know it's cool, but I know I can't have it" kinda car....whereas the Camaro is viewed as being affordable, somewhat practical, and new.

I'd think the Camaro attracts more 'commoner' traffic than the Corvette.

upheval · 04-24-2011, 02:48 AM

Vette vs Camaro, apples and oranges and different strokes for different folks. Different situations call for a different car. DD vs Weekend vs family. Wow, lots of SPECULATION and lots of OPINIONS here. Cant wait for the ZL1 to come out. I will have cash in hand. It will be nice to add it to the stable. Cant wait to see the new Vette too. GM gets lots of my money, lol.

CamaroVision · 04-24-2011, 06:42 PM

i heard a rumor of it being 700+hp / 85k price

probably not true, but its a minimum of 550 hp

*DGthe3* · 04-24-2011, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Blackdevil77

That was only due to traction. The GT500's trap speed was actually higher. If the GT500 was able to hook, it would of beat the CTS-V

So? I haven't heard of Ford doing anything to increase the traction on the GT500. There is talk that they'll boost the power to 600 or so, but if the car can't hook ...

. GM on the other hand is going to put 305's out back on the ZL1. And don't forget, the ZL1 will in all likely have more power and less weight than the CTS-V, and a host of other little things.

*DGthe3* · 04-24-2011, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by CamaroVision

i heard a rumor of it being 700+hp / 85k price

probably not true, but its a minimum of 550 hp

Thats probably an SLP car, not GM.

04-22-2011, 03:45 PM	#19
sik68 Drives: 1968 Camaro, 2002 Subaru WRX Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 86	Using the GT500 as a reference point to the ZL1, here are 2 good articles: Grand Sport vs. 2011 GT500 http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/co...d-shelby-gt500 Grand Sport vs. 2010 GT500 http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...d_sport_page_3 __________________ Steven 1968 Camaro: Project "TRACKDAY" Track Day In-Car Camera Build in Progress

04-22-2011, 04:09 PM	#20
lbls1 Drives: 2002 Camaro SS SOM; 2015 Malibu LTZ Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 4,022	Pretty impressive match and numbers. The Grand Sport barely held off the gt500. If the GT500 were lighter than it would've certainly dominated. The skidpad g's were impressive as well. The zl1 has to be within 3900lbs in order to compete IMO. The caddy held off the gt500 with 4240 lbs (Motor Trend), but the zl1 has to expect a rebuttal from Ford. __________________ '02 CAMARO SS SOM; 5.7L LS1/FLS6B '08 TBSS AWD Black Granite Metallic '15 Malibu LTZ 2LZ Turbo *'14 CAMARO ZL1 Blue Ray Metallic*

04-22-2011, 04:29 PM	#22
lbls1 Drives: 2002 Camaro SS SOM; 2015 Malibu LTZ Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 4,022	Ok makes sense since its 400lbs lighter. The zl1 vs. gt500 is looking to be a nail biter match. __________________ '02 CAMARO SS SOM; 5.7L LS1/FLS6B '08 TBSS AWD Black Granite Metallic '15 Malibu LTZ 2LZ Turbo *'14 CAMARO ZL1 Blue Ray Metallic*

04-23-2011, 09:12 PM	#24
Mr. Wyndham I used to be Dragoneye... Drives: 2018 ZL1 1LE Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 31,876 View My Garage	LS < SS < Base Vette < GS < ZL1 < Z06 < ZR1 There will always be overlap. It's inevitable when you get to these levels...not to mention it would be foolish to hold yourself back (you being GM, in this case) just because of another car in the showroom that also happens to be in a completely different class of automobile. Not to mention....the Corvette is due for a new generation anytime, now........ I'm glad the guys in charge at Chevy/GM didn't restrict the Camaro team's potential due to the Corvette's existence. EDIT: I'd argue the Camaro is a bit more valuable as a 'halo' car to Chevy dealers than the Corvette...Tom Henry or Becky from Rogers, or someone can correct me if I'm wrong.......when I talk to non-car-people...the consensus seems to be that the Corvette is unaffordable, impractical, and more of a pedestal "I know it's cool, but I know I can't have it" kinda car....whereas the Camaro is viewed as being affordable, somewhat practical, and new. I'd think the Camaro attracts more 'commoner' traffic than the Corvette. __________________ *"Keep the faith."* - Fbodfather

04-24-2011, 02:48 AM	#25
upheval All over the planet Drives: 2007 C6 M6 Victory Red Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Highlands, Texas Posts: 109	Vette vs Camaro, apples and oranges and different strokes for different folks. Different situations call for a different car. DD vs Weekend vs family. Wow, lots of SPECULATION and lots of OPINIONS here. Cant wait for the ZL1 to come out. I will have cash in hand. It will be nice to add it to the stable. Cant wait to see the new Vette too. GM gets lots of my money, lol. __________________ 2007 Corvette C6 M6 Victory Red Mods Edelbrock E Force, Headers, Cats, Corsa Extreme Exhaust, Dyno'd Tuned 552RWHP 512RWTQ 2009 Pontiac G8GT Full Exhaust Magna Charger Dyno'd Tuned 543RWHP 489RWTQ 2011 2500HD 6.6 4X4 Z71 397HP 767TQ Factory Waiting on the ZL1

04-22-2011, 09:58 AM	#15
kiteman Drives: 2012 45th Camaro, 2SS/M6 Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: At my computer Posts: 1,318	i would urge you to go test drive a vette and ss in the same setting at the dealership one day. the difference between an ls3 vette and an ls3 camaro is astonishing--the vette is so much faster. don't let the numbers fool you, the z06 will outperform the zl1 in most categories, albeit a zl1 will probably be closer to the vette in terms of raw acceleration than it ever has been before.

04-22-2011, 10:58 AM	#17
Rich1 Drives: 2023 ZL1 Camaro Hot Red Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: St. Louis Posts: 358	I am fortunate to have both. I have 2005 C6 vert. I have done mods to the Vette: headers, cam, exhaust, CAI, and tune. Even without those mods the Vette smokes my SS. I do love both cars though...

04-24-2011, 06:42 PM	#26
CamaroVision Drives: 2010 Black 1LT/RS Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Michigan Posts: 454	i heard a rumor of it being 700+hp / 85k price probably not true, but its a minimum of 550 hp __________________ Black and Synergy Camaro: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83677

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