2012 vette and ZL1? What is the story?

[Mr. Wyndham]

Didn't the Z06 that met the former ZR1 time have all the trimmings? Upgraded suspension, tires, Magnetic Ride, Carbon Fiber package, etc?

I'm not trying to discount it. However you cut it, that was blisteringly fast...I just don't remember how that particular vehicle came equipped.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Didn't the Z06 that met the former ZR1 time have all the trimmings? Upgraded suspension, tires, Magnetic Ride, Carbon Fiber package, etc?

I'm not trying to discount it. However you cut it, that was blisteringly fast...I just don't remember how that particular vehicle came equipped.

It was essentially a ZR1 with an LS7 instead of an LS9

[Wondering]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

It was essentially a ZR1 with an LS7 instead of an LS9

This......

And if you watched the video,the LS9 really showed it's teeth on the last straight. The ZR1 attained a top speed of 182 mph,whereas the Z06 only managed 166.

The two cars practically mirrored each other up to that point.

I hope they take the ZL1 to the 'ring,would be interesting to see what it would do. We know what the CTS-V did there(7.59),I'd think the ZL1 would easily best that.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

It was essentially a ZR1 with an LS7 instead of an LS9

In more words, that's about what I thought.

Still....very very very fast!

Originally Posted by Wondering

I hope they take the ZL1 to the 'ring,would be interesting to see what it would do. We know what the CTS-V did there(7.59),I'd think the ZL1 would easily best that.

I'm gonna agree with this. I know I keep saying it, but I can't wait to see the final numbers for this thing!

[tweeter81]

Originally Posted by Wondering

I hope they take the ZL1 to the 'ring,would be interesting to see what it would do. We know what the CTS-V did there(7.59),I'd think the ZL1 would easily best that.

My original prediction for what the ZL1 would run at the 'Ring was approximately 7:54, or 5 seconds faster than the CTS-V. Nothing that has come out since makes me want to change my guess.

Side note, the new BMW M5 ran the ring in approximately 7:55 just a few days ago, so it would be great if the much cheaper (read: affordable) Camaro ZL1 could beat that time, even if only by 1 second.

[LS3 Machine]

Originally Posted by SSmoked

power to weight ratio > horsepower

the vette and camaro are in completly 2 different markets.

This.


My Camaro SS with headers, intake and tune feels like a limousine full of Fat Girls compared to my Stock Z06.

[BLACK10]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

LS < SS < Base Vette < GS < ZL1 < Z06 < ZR1

There will always be overlap. It's inevitable when you get to these levels...not to mention it would be foolish to hold yourself back (you being GM, in this case) just because of another car in the showroom that also happens to be in a completely different class of automobile.

Not to mention....the Corvette is due for a new generation anytime, now........

I'm glad the guys in charge at Chevy/GM didn't restrict the Camaro team's potential due to the Corvette's existence.


EDIT: I'd argue the Camaro is a bit more valuable as a 'halo' car to Chevy dealers than the Corvette...Tom Henry or Becky from Rogers, or someone can correct me if I'm wrong.......when I talk to non-car-people...the consensus seems to be that the Corvette is unaffordable, impractical, and more of a pedestal "I know it's cool, but I know I can't have it" kinda car....whereas the Camaro is viewed as being affordable, somewhat practical, and new.

I'd think the Camaro attracts more 'commoner' traffic than the Corvette.

i agree, but you forgot to Put where you think the CTS V stands

[BLACK10]

Originally Posted by tweeter81

My original prediction for what the ZL1 would run at the 'Ring was approximately 7:54, or 5 seconds faster than the CTS-V. Nothing that has come out since makes me want to change my guess.

Side note, the new BMW M5 ran the ring in approximately 7:55 just a few days ago, so it would be great if the much cheaper (read: affordable) Camaro ZL1 could beat that time, even if only by 1 second.

i have an 04 CTS V that is pretty much a twin to yours

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

So? I haven't heard of Ford doing anything to increase the traction on the GT500. There is talk that they'll boost the power to 600 or so, but if the car can't hook ... . GM on the other hand is going to put 305's out back on the ZL1. And don't forget, the ZL1 will in all likely have more power and less weight than the CTS-V, and a host of other little things.

doesnt matter. as I've said before...

Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races.

[radz28]

Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

doesnt matter. as I've said before...

Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races.

I agree, however, that's where marketing should come in to save the day. It'd be nice to see GM really push ZL1 into the media and get the word out. While I'm sure enthusiasts can look past all the power in the world if the chassis can't handle it, but I don't think that, that minority is enough to really effect sales... I think as long as GM emphasized how the technology adds up to a better car that it can sell itself. Getting the word out is the key, IMHO.

[OldScoolCamaro]

Originally Posted by LS3 Machine

This.


My Camaro SS with headers, intake and tune feels like a limousine full of Fat Girls compared to my Stock Z06.

So, what you are saying is you don't like limousine rides with fat girls? Come on now....really...really??? What are you trying to say man....