Who doesn't want an LSA Z/28?

[Robin Lawrence]

Originally Posted by Q-ship

The top of the line special Corvette engines have never been offered in any other models....COPO or otherwise. Your confusing the 425 hp 427 that came in the full size Chevys and Corvettes, the top dog engine in the Corvette at that time was the L88 and that NEVER came in a factory produced Camaro, Impala, Chevelle, or Nova. GM will never put the LS9 in any Camaro at least not until it ends production in the Corvette and then not likely.

While the history lesson is nice there are a lot of things that have changed in the past year at GM. As the Corvette is profitable it seems that they want to keep the brand happy. With strong Camaro sales (and profits) it would seem that they could get their hands on what they want. Since the engine has all the engineering done it would be cheaper to use that than re engineer another engine. The LS9 intake clears the cowl unlike the LSA. If I was picking an engine I would build the LS9 with a wet sump and slap that baby in the Camaro. Rate it at 600 and call it a day. Still not the top of the line but close enough.

[djsnoflake]

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BOOYAH!!

[Miketebo22]

I am voting for an LS9..

[Dutchman427]

Originally Posted by Robin Lawrence

While the history lesson is nice there are a lot of things that have changed in the past year at GM. As the Corvette is profitable it seems that they want to keep the brand happy. With strong Camaro sales (and profits) it would seem that they could get their hands on what they want. Since the engine has all the engineering done it would be cheaper to use that than re engineer another engine. The LS9 intake clears the cowl unlike the LSA. If I was picking an engine I would build the LS9 with a wet sump and slap that baby in the Camaro. Rate it at 600 and call it a day. Still not the top of the line but close enough.

That is what I like to hear. Now only if GM would do it!!! I will be content with the LSA though. I will just do a LS9 blower swap.

[wildpaws]

Originally Posted by Q-ship

The top of the line special Corvette engines have never been offered in any other models....COPO or otherwise. Your confusing the 425 hp 427 that came in the full size Chevys and Corvettes, the top dog engine in the Corvette at that time was the L88 and that NEVER came in a factory produced Camaro, Impala, Chevelle, or Nova. GM will never put the LS9 in any Camaro at least not until it ends production in the Corvette and then not likely.

I think we had this discussion before, in '69 there were 71 ZL1 all aluminum 427cid engines produced, while similar to the L88 it was a higher performance engine that produced about 600 hp in street tune and far more HP in racing tune for the CanAm series. Two production Corvettes and 69 production COPO Camaros received these 71 engines produced.
Clyde

[Q-ship]

Originally Posted by Robin Lawrence

While the history lesson is nice there are a lot of things that have changed in the past year at GM. As the Corvette is profitable it seems that they want to keep the brand happy. With strong Camaro sales (and profits) it would seem that they could get their hands on what they want. Since the engine has all the engineering done it would be cheaper to use that than re engineer another engine. The LS9 intake clears the cowl unlike the LSA. If I was picking an engine I would build the LS9 with a wet sump and slap that baby in the Camaro. Rate it at 600 and call it a day. Still not the top of the line but close enough.

Then GM would tarnish the ZR1 Corvette and make it an unviable sale when a buyer could buy a Camaro with the same engine for alot less and no one is going to buy a 80k Camaro to keep the halo of the ZR1 intact. That is why GM will NEVER put the LS9 in and thing other than the Corvette while it is in production.....sorry them is the facts so suck it up.

Originally Posted by wildpaws

I think we had this discussion before, in '69 there were 71 ZL1 all aluminum 427cid engines produced, while similar to the L88 it was a higher performance engine that produced about 600 hp in street tune and far more HP in racing tune for the CanAm series. Two production Corvettes and 69 production COPO Camaros received these 71 engines produced.
Clyde

ZL-1 is NOT the L88 engine in anyway other than both are big block in 427 size. Completely different cams, compression, blocks, heads......et al. The ZL-1 was built in the Camaro to get is homologated to NHRA and eventually installed in 2 Corvettes not from the Corvette to the Camaro so it was NOT an exclusive Corvette engine like the L88. I repeat was there ever a factory L88 Camaro......nope, was there ever a factory LT-5 Camaro.....nope, was there ever a 365HP 327 FI Camaro ....nope....see a trend yet? These are the facts of life in GM.

[wildpaws]

Originally Posted by Q-ship

Then GM would tarnish the ZR1 Corvette and make it an unviable sale when a buyer could buy a Camaro with the same engine for alot less and no one is going to buy a 80k Camaro to keep the halo of the ZR1 intact. That is why GM will NEVER put the LS9 in and thing other than the Corvette while it is in production.....sorry them is the facts so suck it up.



ZL-1 is NOT the L88 engine in anyway other than both are big block in 427 size. Completely different cams, compression, blocks, heads......et al. The ZL-1 was built in the Camaro to get is homologated to NHRA and eventually installed in 2 Corvettes not from the Corvette to the Camaro so it was NOT an exclusive Corvette engine like the L88. I repeat was there ever a factory L88 Camaro......nope, was there ever a factory LT-5 Camaro.....nope, was there ever a 365HP 327 FI Camaro ....nope....see a trend yet? These are the facts of life in GM.

Stubborn comes to mind, you never originally said Vette to Camaro, you said top of the line Vette engine was never offered in Camaro. I certainly think the ZL1 qualified as the top of the Vette line engine in '69, I never said they were the same engine but similar (I did note that the ZL1 was all aluminum), further the ZL1 was used as a racing engine for the CanAm racing series. Anyway, you have your thoughts and ideas, I have mine and we'll likely have to agree to disagree.
Clyde

[Robin Lawrence]

Originally Posted by Q-ship

Then GM would tarnish the ZR1 Corvette and make it an unviable sale when a buyer could buy a Camaro with the same engine for alot less and no one is going to buy a 80k Camaro to keep the halo of the ZR1 intact. That is why GM will NEVER put the LS9 in and thing other than the Corvette while it is in production.....sorry them is the facts so suck it up.

Time will tell, one of the facts in GM that you are missing is they they do not build a car to be second best. With the Shelby being a tick lighter than the Camaro it might be a bit faster in the Super Snake or KR option.
That certainly would not go well with the Camaro pride. I don't see them stepping around the hallowed LS9 and ZR1 to spend more on developing another engine. This company is here to make money. If it takes scabbing the LS9 from the Corvette to make more profit I say go for it!

Really the LSA is a great engine and would serve the Z28 very well. I am more than pleased with mine.

And I do have an LS9 for sale in the classifieds

Robin

[radz28]

Originally Posted by Robin Lawrence

While the history lesson is nice there are a lot of things that have changed in the past year at GM. As the Corvette is profitable it seems that they want to keep the brand happy. With strong Camaro sales (and profits) it would seem that they could get their hands on what they want. Since the engine has all the engineering done it would be cheaper to use that than re engineer another engine. The LS9 intake clears the cowl unlike the LSA. If I was picking an engine I would build the LS9 with a wet sump and slap that baby in the Camaro. Rate it at 600 and call it a day. Still not the top of the line but close enough.

LSA doesn't clear the cowl?... I missed that one; I'm not arguing - I know you'd know

I'm not questioning your reasoning, and Lord knows that you'd know more about your statements than I (not being in the industry nor having the background you do) but it just still seems far fetched to stuff LS9 in there, mostly due to cost. Please don't mistake I'd sh*t a brick if that happened, and the car was still close to the GT500 in price, but it just seems like a lot to ask. I like they way you think though

Originally Posted by djsnoflake

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BOOYAH!!

Originally Posted by Miketebo22

I am voting for an LS9..

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Originally Posted by Dutchman427

That is what I like to hear. Now only if GM would do it!!! I will be content with the LSA though. I will just do a LS9 blower swap.

Or stab a Maggy/KB/Whipple on it I was looking at some LSA blower pictures and it just seemed the inlet to the blower was really pinched and restrictive. I can't find similar pics' of LS9, but it just seems like there's a lot left on the table if that can be cleaned up or changed. Regardless, 556 HP to start with is nothing to complain about

Originally Posted by Q-ship

Then GM would tarnish the ZR1 Corvette and make it an unviable sale when a buyer could buy a Camaro with the same engine for alot less and no one is going to buy a 80k Camaro to keep the halo of the ZR1 intact. That is why GM will NEVER put the LS9 in and thing other than the Corvette while it is in production.....sorry them is the facts so suck it up.

ZL-1 is NOT the L88 engine in anyway other than both are big block in 427 size. Completely different cams, compression, blocks, heads......et al. The ZL-1 was built in the Camaro to get is homologated to NHRA and eventually installed in 2 Corvettes not from the Corvette to the Camaro so it was NOT an exclusive Corvette engine like the L88. I repeat was there ever a factory L88 Camaro......nope, was there ever a factory LT-5 Camaro.....nope, was there ever a 365HP 327 FI Camaro ....nope....see a trend yet? These are the facts of life in GM.

Please check the tone. There's no reason to have this inflection

Originally Posted by Robin Lawrence

Time will tell, one of the facts in GM that you are missing is they they do not build a car to be second best. With the Shelby being a tick lighter than the Camaro it might be a bit faster in the Super Snake or KR option.
That certainly would not go well with the Camaro pride. I don't see them stepping around the hallowed LS9 and ZR1 to spend more on developing another engine. This company is here to make money. If it takes scabbing the LS9 from the Corvette to make more profit I say go for it!

Really the LSA is a great engine and would serve the Z28 very well. I am more than pleased with mine.

And I do have an LS9 for sale in the classifieds

Robin

This side of a Gen V (and I have absolutely no idea where that is in development; I've only seen spy shots from a year-or-so-ago), I can't see GM not using what they already have, that's proven, in their arsenal. Hey - if they're going to add weight for a different engine, why not go straight to the top of their production engine?

[CamaroSpike23]

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[radz28]

Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

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[Robin Lawrence]

Originally Posted by radz282003

LSA doesn't clear the cowl?... I missed that one; I'm not arguing - I know you'd know

Here you go.




If you look at this picture you can see where the top cover hits the cowl. It is hitting the cowl and the bolt holes are not lined up. Miissing by about 2". Thus cutting the manifold. Now the guys with the drift car cut the cowl and had to move the wiper mount.

[radz28]

Originally Posted by Robin Lawrence

Here you go.




If you look at this picture you can see where the top cover hits the cowl. It is hitting the cowl and the bolt holes are not lined up. Miissing by about 2". Thus cutting the manifold. Now the guys with the drift car cut the cowl and had to move the wiper mount.

WOAH! Thanks Uncle! I see your point, for sure, now! Hmm... Do you know how much, if any, that affects the efficiency or air distribution? That doesn't look too desirable... LS9 looks a little more better now.

[Nine Ball]

Those of you saying the LSA (CTS-V) is not enough, obviously haven't driven a new CTS-V. I'd recommend you go test drive one, if you can find a willing dealer. Since I have both in the driveway, I'll give you my honest feedback.

In stock form, the CTS-V makes the 2010 Camaro feel very very very very very boring. It isn't even a comparable experience.

Another thing, these factory LSA (1.9L) and LS9 (2.3L) blowers are basically the same blower architecture as the Magnacharger TVS 1900 (1.9L) and TVS 2300 (2.3L). Most of us are putting the TVS 2300 on our LS3 cars, so you essentially have the LS9 under your hood (minus forged internals) and already have the similar 600+ hp with that system.

Tony