I saw more Hellcats yesterday than ZL1 Camaros!

[Raven87]

Originally Posted by Sven59

Raven87
Of course not. Different target groups? Hardly. High performance is THE target group, not NA vs Power adders. You definitely do not want to compare the Z/28 sales numbers against anything. Few buyers are shelling out the bucks for a $75k Camaro.


Z/28 is not high performance? You proved my point by saying performance is the target group but not to compare the Z/28 to anything because of its price. You threw in your own variable while its just as easy to say you can't compare the SRT vs. the ZL1 because of NA vs. supercharged. Why not compare the Z/28 against the kitty from hell? The Z/28 came out in 14 and the fat cat in 15. Also a lot of people would call the Z/28 the top Camaro, so compare it against the top Challenger. The only fair comparisons in my opinion are similar years and similar trim levels. Compare the 6 cyl. to 6 cyl. or compare similar prices. There are so many ways to do this. Another variant you might not want to compare, the COPO. It is really the top of the line Camaro, but it is not street legal, another variable. There is only one model of Camaro, just like there is only one model of Challenger. In car reviews they try to compare cars of similar trim level. I just don't feel it is an honest comparison of the ZL1 to a SRT. Too many differences, NA vs. boosted, MRC vs. ?, price?,

Dude, we were not comparing cars performance. We were comparing sales/production numbers. Numbers.

You are completely missing what I said about the Z/28 but no worries. And COPO vs what? Come on, man.

I'm done here. You can be wrong if you want.

Cheers.

[Sven59]

Exactly, I just said your method is bad. Like Q'Muscle said that would be like comparing the 2010 SS to the 2010 GT500, fair comparison as far as sales? The SS was top of the line in 10. What you are saying would be like comparing a wide receivers catch and yardage stats against a running backs, similar, they both catch passes, but different.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Raven87

Not sure what your point is? The post I was replying to was about total units over a three year period, not single model years.

I broke out 2012 in response to your earlier comment (below)

Originally Posted by Raven87

...but the Challenger SRT8 sales were higher in 2012 than the ZL1 - they sold 7210 units in 2012 alone.

Originally Posted by Raven87

Yes, the SRT8 had an N/A engine but still sold over 11,000 units from 2012 to 2014.

The STR8 is a fine car but its more a competitor of the SS ...both in price and performance. Apples and oranges IMO.

Originally Posted by Raven87

How many '15 ZL1s will be sold vs Hellcats? I would imagine the Hellcat will outsell the ZL1 in the '15 MY.

The ZL1 is in its in its forth and final year with a new platform coming. 580 HP was shocking when introduced in 2011 but meh now. The Hellcat is new with 707 HP tapping pent up demand in the Mopar camp. No one is surprised

Originally Posted by Raven87

My point is that GM continues to build good cars but lets them die a slow death due to lack of marketing, no upgrades.

Agree and I wish they would have upped the power too but clearly Chevy moved on to the Z/28, Stingray, Z06, etc.

Originally Posted by Raven87

I would HOPE GM would take a look at what Dodge did with the Hellcat and build a Camaro at least as sick as that beast. We know that GM can but...

Will it? Who knows? I sure want them to!

I hope so. hmmm... 8L90E torque rating is 738 lb-ft

[TobysZL1]

Originally Posted by GB73ZL1

I'm no expert in sales or "exclusive" or "rare" items, however, in the grand scheme of production numbers of the Camaro, the ZL1 model accounts for roughly 3-4% of camaro production for worldwide sales. Therefore, regarding ZL1 sightings, would it be fair to say that one would have a 3% ZL1 sighting for every 100 Camaro sightings? I'm sure there would be some anomalies in certain marketplaces with having more or less available in a certain area.
IMHO, being a ZL1 owner, I don't want to see 500,000 Zl1s tearing up the streets. I'm happy and feel lucky to be one of the 3-4% of owners of this wonderful car.

+1 +1

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[stardok]

Had my car about 3 years now and have seen 6 or 7 other ZL1s in SoCal. After reading your thread I was at home depot and an AGM 2015 parked next to me. First time I have seen 2 together.

[Q'smuscle]

Nice!

[TobysZL1]

Originally Posted by stardok

Had my car about 3 years now and have seen 6 or 7 other ZL1s in SoCal. After reading your thread I was at home depot and an AGM 2015 parked next to me. First time I have seen 2 together.

Man some dudes car would fit so nicely between those 2 double parked cars!

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[eodtech72]

Originally Posted by Raven87

And there were 15,453 GT500s built in those same MYs.

The Hellcat didn't come out until the 2015 model but the Challenger SRT8 sales were higher in 2012 than the ZL1 - they sold 7210 units in 2012 alone. Total SRT8 figures for 12-14 MYs was 11,131, within ~1200 of the ZL1.

Kind of surprising...

Maybe because there were less than 2000 '12 ZL1's produced in 2012?

[SPOOKYGUNNER]

Originally Posted by Raven87

I went to our local Cars and Coffee cruise-in yesterday and there was a green auto Hellcat there (one I've seen before). Then, at the local Dodge dealer there is a sold white Hellcat (also an auto). Both are very sharp.

But - care to guess how many ZL1s I saw yesterday other than mine?

Yep - ZERO. I even saw three Vipers out and about; a Gen II, a Gen III and a Gen IV. But not one other ZL1 Camaro to be seen.

Why is that? While I like uniqueness this seems really hard to believe.

ZL1 A BETTER DEAL...HP AND MAG RIDE SUSPENSION SYSTEM VS JUST HP
AND NOTHING SPECIAL FOR SUSPENSION. HELLCAT MAYBE FASTER 0-60 AND 1/4 MILE BUT ZL1 IS STILL THE KING IN MY BOOK DUE TO OVERALL
PERFORMANCE....ENGINE,TRANS,SUSPENSION

[SPOOKYGUNNER]

Originally Posted by SPOOKYGUNNER

ZL1 A BETTER DEAL...HP AND MAG RIDE SUSPENSION SYSTEM VS JUST HP
AND NOTHING SPECIAL FOR SUSPENSION. HELLCAT MAYBE FASTER 0-60 AND 1/4 MILE BUT ZL1 IS STILL THE KING IN MY BOOK DUE TO OVERALL
PERFORMANCE....ENGINE,TRANS,SUSPENSION

WE WILL REMEMBER ALL THOSE WHO STOOD FOR FREEDOM....FOR ALL OF US THAT PAID THE PRICE.

[TobysZL1]

Originally Posted by SPOOKYGUNNER

WE WILL REMEMBER ALL THOSE WHO STOOD FOR FREEDOM....FOR ALL OF US THAT PAID THE PRICE.

Huh?

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[revobasher]

[oldfriend]

Originally Posted by revobasher

And yes technically everybody can buy a McLaren P1 as well but that doesn't mean they have the pockets to do so.

Not true , not even technically , because they will built a X number MP1s , so even if a lot more people had the pockets to get it , some would just have to see them going by !