Z06 vs GT-R vs 911 Turbo -Road and Track - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

*DGthe3* · 03-21-2008, 05:54 PM

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=6594
The 911 was third. The Vette placed second. GT-R won. All three posted the same 0-60 times, the vette reached 120 mph a full 2 seconds faster than the GT-R. However, the Nissan did better in the slalom and slightly better on the skidpad.

basically, all three cars were very close, I don't think the porche won a single event though. But if it were a race, the winner would be the best driver.

*edit -When looking at one of the spec sheets there is a drawing of the GT-R in profile and it looks alot like the Mustang to my eyes, well other than the very front of the nose

MCPOAJ · 03-24-2008, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by DGthe3

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=6594
The 911 was third. The Vette placed second. GT-R won. All three posted the same 0-60 times, the vette reached 120 mph a full 2 seconds faster than the GT-R. However, the Nissan did better in the slalom and slightly better on the skidpad.

basically, all three cars were very close, I don't think the porche won a single event though. But if it were a race, the winner would be the best driver.

*edit -When looking at one of the spec sheets there is a drawing of the GT-R in profile and it looks alot like the Mustang to my eyes, well other than the very front of the nose

The only reason for the vette losing is because it doesn't need some crappy ass computer to drive the car for you. And the vette is RWD and the GT-R is AWD just a LITTLE diffrenece. But props for the GT-R for beating the 911

Aries · 03-24-2008, 07:55 AM

Are you kidding me!!!! The GT-R was over 5 seconds a lap faster at the race track than either car!!! WOW!! That's not winning thats a slaughter!!! And faster than an Enzo Ferrari in the slalom, unbelievable. Color me very impressed.

SilverTurtle · 03-24-2008, 10:46 AM

test conditions
Temperature 57˚ F
Humidity 45%
Elevation 350 ft
Wind calm
Location Irvine, California

so, the Z06 is on run flats in the cold... is anyone really surprised that the GT-R was faster? kudos to Nissan for building a fast car, but I want to see an apples to apples comparison... because even in the cold weather, 0-60mph was a dead heat, 0-100mph was all Corvette and Porsche and by the time you got to 120mph, the Z06 was pulling away from both competitors like a jet... a full 2 seconds faster to 120mph... to me, that says the Vette was at a big loss down low and that probably carried over to Buttonwillow as well.

the GT-R is fast... on a level playing field, I believe the Z06 would have faired better.

MCPOAJ · 03-24-2008, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by SilverTurtle

test conditions
Temperature 57˚ F
Humidity 45%
Elevation 350 ft
Wind calm
Location Irvine, California

so, the Z06 is on run flats in the cold... is anyone really surprised that the GT-R was faster? kudos to Nissan for building a fast car, but I want to see an apples to apples comparison... because even in the cold weather, 0-60mph was a dead heat, 0-100mph was all Corvette and Porsche and by the time you got to 120mph, the Z06 was pulling away from both competitors like a jet... a full 2 seconds faster to 120mph... to me, that says the Vette was at a big loss down low and that probably carried over to Buttonwillow as well.

the GT-R is fast... on a level playing field, I believe the Z06 would have faired better.

True dat and the vette has no computer system driving FOR YOU (it practically does) and has AWD and the BUT the z06 was faster 0-60 because it didn't have that pos boost lag and had LOTS of TORQUE

*DGthe3* · 03-24-2008, 11:29 AM

but it was a level field, well as close as you can get to it. they were at the same track in the same conditions. and unless someone changed the tires before the test, I think its as fair as we will get

Kyle2k · 03-24-2008, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by MCPOAJ

True dat and the vette has no computer system driving FOR YOU (it practically does) and has AWD and the BUT the z06 was faster 0-60 because it didn't have that pos boost lag and had LOTS of TORQUE

You don't have a clue what you're talking about. There is no boost lag for the GT-R full torque is reached by like 2800rpm. The main advantage is the DCT and a slight influence with the AWD, but you are blatantly wrong and biased with your "POS boost lag" comment.

*The_Blur* · 03-24-2008, 12:09 PM

Lag is no longer as big an issue as it used to be. People need to stop using that as an excuse for anything. It's all about matching the appropriate forced induction to the car. Most companies do a good job about that nowadays.

I give big props to the GT-R. I like seeing the Z06 get up to 120 so well. How much of a benefit do you guys think the Corvette would get from AWD? Isn't there a rumor out there that GM is considering AWD on a future Corvette as an option?

SilverTurtle · 03-24-2008, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DGthe3

but it was a level field, well as close as you can get to it. they were at the same track in the same conditions. and unless someone changed the tires before the test, I think its as fair as we will get

sadly, I believe you are correct... nobody is going to take the time to put some normal tires on the Z06 and run a GT-R against it... and that's a shame, because the Z06 is a very fast car when you get rid of the run flats... EMT tires + cold weather = slip sliding like a mofo... and, like I said before, in a cold weather race (and yes, 57degrees is a cold weather race), the obvious advantage goes to the GT-R... with more technology than the Porsche and more grip than the Z06, it was destined to be a winner... lets hope that they redo this race again on a 75degree day with about 50-60% humidity... I have a feeling the results will be very different than they were this time, even if they dont change the run flats on the Z06.

Kyle2k · 03-24-2008, 01:58 PM

I think the Camaro should adopt something sort of like the Nissans AWD platform, the thing is, it technically AWD until it needs to be.

PLEASE READ THIS, it is very informative and a very interesting system. (Primarily near the bottom) As for the DCT I still like it, but as for modifying, bleh, doesn't look fun to make it useful considerably above stock HP

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATTESA

TFord · 03-24-2008, 02:23 PM

Gotta give props to the GTR, there is no question about that.

the Blur is correct about the turbo lag issue. banks was the first to have a turbo with NO turbo lag at all...if you had the money to afford it. So im sure with all the computer controlled do-dads in the GTR lag is minimized if not eliminated.

As far as Race conditions are concerned Im with Silver Turtle. Id like to see those to on a warm day and get rid of those darn run flats, Im positive you'd see different results.

nothing can be taken from the GT-R it is that it is. hell in my opinion its the Jap Vette. American technology/muscle at its finest, V.S. Japanese ingenuity at its best so really no ones a loser as far as what these companies are putting on the streets

Aries · 03-24-2008, 02:45 PM

Man MCPOAJ & SilverTurtle you guys are a bunch of excuse making whiners. Your "beloved" corvette got smoked, deal with it. All this "the weather was wrong", "the tires were no good", "the computer drives the car", blah blah blah, wannhh, wannhh, wannhh. For the record the vette has the widest tires of the group and did manage to post .99g on the skid pad and 70.6 mph in the slalom so the tires can't be that bad. Do you honestly think different street tires would have made up 5 seconds a lap? And for the weather, all three cars delt with the same conditions so this is a pointless remark. Do you think only the vette would have gained grip in warmer conditions? I don't think so. Now for MCPOAJ comment that the "computer drives the GT-R".

Lets not forget the vette has a state-of-the-art yaw-control system that helps drive the car too. Face the facts guys, no amount of weather or tires would have helped the vette overcome over a 5 second a lap difference. Sorry. I don't think the new ZR1 would have beat it.

SilverTurtle · 03-24-2008, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Aries

Man MCPOAJ & SilverTurtle you guys are a bunch of excuse making whiners. Your "beloved" corvette got smoked, deal with it. All this "the weather was wrong", "the tires were no good", "the computer drives the car", blah blah blah, wannhh, wannhh, wannhh. For the record the vette has the widest tires of the group and did manage to post .99g on the skid pad and 70.6 mph in the slalom so the tires can't be that bad. Do you honestly think different street tires would have made up 5 seconds a lap? And for the weather, all three cars delt with the same conditions so this is a pointless remark. Do you think only the vette would have gained grip in warmer conditions? I don't think so. Now for MCPOAJ comment that the "computer drives the GT-R".

Lets not forget the vette has a state-of-the-art yaw-control system that helps drive the car too. Face the facts guys, no amount of weather or tires would have helped the vette overcome over a 5 second a lap difference. Sorry. I don't think the new ZR1 would have beat it.

I'm not going to defend myself to someone that has no idea what they're talking about... I gave props to the GT-R for the win and you chose to single me out... so I'll just take it that you can't read and I'll leave it at that.

*Mr. Wyndham* · 03-24-2008, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Aries

Sorry. I don't think the new ZR1 would have beat it.

*spits all over keyboard + screen* *coughing ensues*

Did I read that right?!?! You don't think the ZR-1 could beat, let alone sqash (like the bug it resembles) the GTR??

Well, I beg to differ. I differ Greatly!!!!

As for the rest of your post...Both cars are fast...but we're on a Camaro forum (you know, the closest relative to the Corvette?...not counting the XLR). I hardly think it's whining.

03-21-2008, 05:54 PM	#1
DGthe3 Moderator.ca Drives: 05 Grand Am GT Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Niagara, Canada Posts: 25,372	Z06 vs GT-R vs 911 Turbo -Road and Track http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=6594 The 911 was third. The Vette placed second. GT-R won. All three posted the same 0-60 times, the vette reached 120 mph a full 2 seconds faster than the GT-R. However, the Nissan did better in the slalom and slightly better on the skidpad. basically, all three cars were very close, I don't think the porche won a single event though. But if it were a race, the winner would be the best driver. edit -When looking at one of the spec sheets there is a drawing of the GT-R in profile and it looks alot like the Mustang to my eyes, well other than the very front of the nose __________________ Note, if I've gotten any facts wrong in the above, just ignore any points I made with them __________________ Originally Posted by FbodFather My sister's dentist's brother's cousin's housekeeper's dog-breeder's nephew sells coffee filters to the company that provides coffee to General Motors......* ........and HE WOULD KNOW!!!! __________________ Camaro Fest sub-forum

03-24-2008, 10:46 AM	#4
SilverTurtle Reality Check Specialist Drives: '02 Z28, 2012 45th SS Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: ATX Posts: 1,730	test conditions Temperature 57˚ F Humidity 45% Elevation 350 ft Wind calm Location Irvine, California so, the Z06 is on run flats in the cold... is anyone really surprised that the GT-R was faster? kudos to Nissan for building a fast car, but I want to see an apples to apples comparison... because even in the cold weather, 0-60mph was a dead heat, 0-100mph was all Corvette and Porsche and by the time you got to 120mph, the Z06 was pulling away from both competitors like a jet... a full 2 seconds faster to 120mph... to me, that says the Vette was at a big loss down low and that probably carried over to Buttonwillow as well. the GT-R is fast... on a level playing field, I believe the Z06 would have faired better. __________________ got tequila?

03-24-2008, 11:29 AM	#6
DGthe3 Moderator.ca Drives: 05 Grand Am GT Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Niagara, Canada Posts: 25,372	but it was a level field, well as close as you can get to it. they were at the same track in the same conditions. and unless someone changed the tires before the test, I think its as fair as we will get __________________ Note, if I've gotten any facts wrong in the above, just ignore any points I made with them __________________ Originally Posted by FbodFather My sister's dentist's brother's cousin's housekeeper's dog-breeder's nephew sells coffee filters to the company that provides coffee to General Motors...... ........and HE WOULD KNOW!!!! __________________ Camaro Fest sub-forum

03-24-2008, 12:09 PM	#8
The_Blur Moderator Drives: 2018 Harley-Davidson Street Bob Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: San Diego Posts: 14,769	Lag is no longer as big an issue as it used to be. People need to stop using that as an excuse for anything. It's all about matching the appropriate forced induction to the car. Most companies do a good job about that nowadays. I give big props to the GT-R. I like seeing the Z06 get up to 120 so well. How much of a benefit do you guys think the Corvette would get from AWD? Isn't there a rumor out there that GM is considering AWD on a future Corvette as an option? __________________ RDP Motorsport//GEN5DIY//Cultrag Performance//JPSS//Rodgets Chevrolet// Operation Demon//Buy at Invoice//RACECARWEAR RESPECT ALL CARS. LOVE YOUR OWN. warn 145:159 ban

03-24-2008, 01:58 PM	#10
Kyle2k LVL 50 Troll Stomper Drives: 2010 Camaro Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 3,463	I think the Camaro should adopt something sort of like the Nissans AWD platform, the thing is, it technically AWD until it needs to be. PLEASE READ THIS, it is very informative and a very interesting system. (Primarily near the bottom) As for the DCT I still like it, but as for modifying, bleh, doesn't look fun to make it useful considerably above stock HP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATTESA __________________

03-24-2008, 07:55 AM	#3
Aries Drives: GTS VIPER, GS400, Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Maryland Posts: 49	Are you kidding me!!!! The GT-R was over 5 seconds a lap faster at the race track than either car!!! WOW!! That's not winning thats a slaughter!!! And faster than an Enzo Ferrari in the slalom, unbelievable. Color me very impressed.

03-24-2008, 02:23 PM	#11
TFord Camaro Fanatic Drives: 2000 Z28 Join Date: May 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 1,809 View My Garage	Gotta give props to the GTR, there is no question about that. the Blur is correct about the turbo lag issue. banks was the first to have a turbo with NO turbo lag at all...if you had the money to afford it. So im sure with all the computer controlled do-dads in the GTR lag is minimized if not eliminated. As far as Race conditions are concerned Im with Silver Turtle. Id like to see those to on a warm day and get rid of those darn run flats, Im positive you'd see different results. nothing can be taken from the GT-R it is that it is. hell in my opinion its the Jap Vette. American technology/muscle at its finest, V.S. Japanese ingenuity at its best so really no ones a loser as far as what these companies are putting on the streets

03-24-2008, 02:45 PM	#12
Aries Drives: GTS VIPER, GS400, Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Maryland Posts: 49	Man MCPOAJ & SilverTurtle you guys are a bunch of excuse making whiners. Your "beloved" corvette got smoked, deal with it. All this "the weather was wrong", "the tires were no good", "the computer drives the car", blah blah blah, wannhh, wannhh, wannhh. For the record the vette has the widest tires of the group and did manage to post .99g on the skid pad and 70.6 mph in the slalom so the tires can't be that bad. Do you honestly think different street tires would have made up 5 seconds a lap? And for the weather, all three cars delt with the same conditions so this is a pointless remark. Do you think only the vette would have gained grip in warmer conditions? I don't think so. Now for MCPOAJ comment that the "computer drives the GT-R". Lets not forget the vette has a state-of-the-art yaw-control system that helps drive the car too. Face the facts guys, no amount of weather or tires would have helped the vette overcome over a 5 second a lap difference. Sorry. I don't think the new ZR1 would have beat it.